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Bought a character; original owner forgot about Rhea
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William SA
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-03 07:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: William SA
Edit: It's all good.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#2 - 2014-12-03 07:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: McChicken Combo HalfMayo
This is the rule in question
"Items cannot be listed among the character's valuable assets, only skills, implants and reputation. You are buying/selling the character ONLY and nothing else. Ships and items can be readily bought on the market for ISK. "

Interpreting it is fuzzy. The first line indicates the rule is referencing what you can actually negotiate within a character sale. If the Rhea was forgotten, it wasn't negotiated within a sale and might be fair game to keep. The second line however shakes things up a bit...

Petition it.

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State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-12-03 08:16:56 UTC
McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:
This is the rule in question
"Items cannot be listed among the character's valuable assets, only skills, implants and reputation. You are buying/selling the character ONLY and nothing else. Ships and items can be readily bought on the market for ISK. "

Interpreting it is fuzzy. The first line indicates the rule is referencing what you can actually negotiate within a character sale. If the Rhea was forgotten, it wasn't negotiated within a sale and might be fair game to keep. The second line however shakes things up a bit...

Petition it.

As said the Rhea was not intentionally part of the sale or an incentive, I have heard of items and Isk being left on characters. Safest thing to do is petition and find out if you are obligated.

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Steve Wingyip
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-12-03 11:02:22 UTC
Just give the ship to the guy. Especially if the character was a good deal.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-03 12:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Uhm...

May I ask why you come to a community forum when this is something you want OFFICIAL statement about?

Petition and ask someone who actually makes and enforces the rules....namely CCP.

Don't ask a bunch of fellow players how rules should be interpreted...as with 1001 players, you will get 1001 different opinions.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#6 - 2014-12-03 13:59:26 UTC
You have two options.

Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank.

Your choice.

Mr Epeen Cool
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-12-03 14:01:38 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Uhm...

May I ask why you come to a community forum when this is something you want OFFICIAL statement about?

Petition and ask someone who actually makes and enforces the rules....namely CCP.

Don't ask a bunch of fellow players how rules should be interpreted...as with 1001 players, you will get 1001 different opinions.

there are millions of other issues where OP would instantly get a correct and detailed answer on the forums, some of them just as obscure as the problem at hand. i fail to see how he would know the difference between his question and the other ones.

as for the problem at hand: my gut feeling tells me that you could get away with keeping the ship, but you would have made an enemy in the process. filing a ticket is still a good idea, also don't forget to tell us how it went.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-12-03 14:06:04 UTC
I think this can be described as " Didn't need that capship anyway " . Enjoy ur gift, bro.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#9 - 2014-12-03 14:07:03 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
You have two options.

Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank.

Your choice.

Mr Epeen Cool



Actually, those two options only apply after OP has been given green light by CCP.

To my knowledge, rules on Character trades are very strict so petitioning that whole matter first is really the way to go!

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-12-03 14:34:28 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Uhm...

May I ask why you come to a community forum when this is something you want OFFICIAL statement about?

Petition and ask someone who actually makes and enforces the rules....namely CCP.

Don't ask a bunch of fellow players how rules should be interpreted...as with 1001 players, you will get 1001 different opinions.

there are millions of other issues where OP would instantly get a correct and detailed answer on the forums, some of them just as obscure as the problem at hand. i fail to see how he would know the difference between his question and the other ones.

as for the problem at hand: my gut feeling tells me that you could get away with keeping the ship, but you would have made an enemy in the process. filing a ticket is still a good idea, also don't forget to tell us how it went.


Difference being...

That if you do something illegal with a character transfer, it gets you banned...

So in those cases, it's better to be safe then sorry and just ask CCP directly (also, so that you have an official answer that you can present when **** hits the fan, opposed to "But the forum people said....")

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#11 - 2014-12-03 17:44:38 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
You have two options.

Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank.

Your choice.

Mr Epeen Cool



Actually, those two options only apply after OP has been given green light by CCP.

To my knowledge, rules on Character trades are very strict so petitioning that whole matter first is really the way to go!


Sure. Petition it to be sure.

But I can tell you, as someone that has been character trading for seven years that it's going to be fine. Unless something has been changed.

I've been on both sides of that situation on plenty of occasions. As long as the items left on the character were done so by accident or stupidity, the buyer gets to keep them.

The only time a GM will pull something from a sold character is if the seller has forgotten to transfer the ISK used to purchase it.

Mr Epeen Cool
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-12-03 18:45:10 UTC
fwiw: i once accidentally sold a char with 30 frigates+fittings in his hangar. never saw them again.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Ellen Madullier
Savage Moon Society
#13 - 2014-12-03 23:01:31 UTC
I'd petition it! Don't do anything out of the kindness of your heart in this game. Twisted

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Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-12-03 23:38:17 UTC
Items are not included in a character transfer. Return it.

Really, it isn't worth the hassle of dealing with CCP.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#15 - 2014-12-04 20:31:24 UTC
Here is my experience. I recently sold a character that had all the shares to my alt corporation on it (I know, I'm a tool Oops). I petitioned it and CCP returned those shares to me. Assets are not allowed to be transferred as part of a character sale, and CCP will reclaim those assets if the original owner barks about it. You're better off just giving it back to him before the GMs get involved.

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#16 - 2014-12-04 20:32:44 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
You have two options.

Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank.

Your choice.

Mr Epeen Cool



Actually, those two options only apply after OP has been given green light by CCP.

To my knowledge, rules on Character trades are very strict so petitioning that whole matter first is really the way to go!


Sure. Petition it to be sure.

But I can tell you, as someone that has been character trading for seven years that it's going to be fine. Unless something has been changed.

I've been on both sides of that situation on plenty of occasions. As long as the items left on the character were done so by accident or stupidity, the buyer gets to keep them.

The only time a GM will pull something from a sold character is if the seller has forgotten to transfer the ISK used to purchase it.

Mr Epeen Cool

My personal experience tells me this isn't always the case. Of course, as with many things in Eve, it depends on which GM you get and on what day.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#17 - 2014-12-04 21:15:18 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
Of course, as with many things in Eve, it depends on which GM you get and on what day.


That's certainly been my experience as well.

On top of that, how you communicate with them. Polite and coherent as opposed to all-caps nonsensical raging will affect the outcome in most cases.

Mr Epeen Cool
Sabriz Adoudel
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#18 - 2014-12-05 00:49:56 UTC
Don't use the Rhea in the interim. Petition it and let a GM decide.

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