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Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#81 - 2014-12-04 01:58:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Toad The Hitchhiker
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ramiel Wayfarer wrote:
eve online in 2007 average 50000 + players mid week in the evening


You're telling me to wake up?




While he may have been off about the numbers, he is right in the sentiment. The all time average for the life of EVE is 27,460 and that includes years of "No one knows what this game is"

The record of 65,303 was set 19 months ago and the average for the last three months is 25,030 and that includes almost 2700 dust players (who dont count).

So using a bit of math you can see the game has regressed since a peak in the 2012-2013 area, with a plateau even in 2008... meaning the game has not grown since 2008 and started its decline at a steady but slow rate in 2013.

The Veld Lord might be right, this is probably the best marketing attempt to stop the bleeding in a long time, but I don't think subs are going to increase any time soon. In fact I predict a much faster rate of decline in the coming months.
Shaleb Heworo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-12-04 02:38:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaleb Heworo
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ramiel Wayfarer wrote:
eve online in 2007 average 50000 + players mid week in the evening


You're telling me to wake up?




While he may have been off about the numbers, he is right in the sentiment. The all time average for the life of EVE is 27,460 and that includes years of "No one knows what this game is"

The record of 65,303 was set 19 months ago and the average for the last three months is 25,030 and that includes almost 2700 dust players (who dont count).

So using a bit of math you can see the game has regressed since a peak in the 2012-2013 area, with a plateau even in 2008... meaning the game has not grown since 2008 and started its decline at a steady but slow rate in 2013.

The Veld Lord might be right, this is probably the best marketing attempt to stop the bleeding in a long time, but I don't think subs are going to increase any time soon. In fact I predict a much faster rate of decline in the coming months.


There never was a weekly average of 65,303. Highest was a spike around 36k and now it's 26k an rising. I don't want to put much effort in this reply because you clearly have an agenda and therfore I highly doubt that the better argument will win the discussion. Anyway let me say this: From an economic point of view it is highly unlikely that Eve is going to "die" anytime soon simply because as a product it is unique and the type of player it caters to doesn't have much of a choice.

Furthermore the drop in weekly average might be indeed connected with rising plex prices and especially nullsec folks unsubbing some but not all of their multiple accounts. This would not hurt eves appeal or playability as an mmo too much since the level of real activity would stay roughly the same depite a decreased weekly average in numbers. The fact that actual pvp activity is at an all time high supports this hypothesis

That being said: Even if there was a drop there is no reason to assume CCP wouldn't be able to acquire more new players in the future simply because they do have a great and unique product and from where i'm standing that's exactly what seems to happen with the trailer and many of the changes already implementd and planend for the near future.
Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-12-04 02:41:50 UTC
Shaleb Heworo wrote:
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ramiel Wayfarer wrote:
eve online in 2007 average 50000 + players mid week in the evening


You're telling me to wake up?




While he may have been off about the numbers, he is right in the sentiment. The all time average for the life of EVE is 27,460 and that includes years of "No one knows what this game is"

The record of 65,303 was set 19 months ago and the average for the last three months is 25,030 and that includes almost 2700 dust players (who dont count).

So using a bit of math you can see the game has regressed since a peak in the 2012-2013 area, with a plateau even in 2008... meaning the game has not grown since 2008 and started its decline at a steady but slow rate in 2013.

The Veld Lord might be right, this is probably the best marketing attempt to stop the bleeding in a long time, but I don't think subs are going to increase any time soon. In fact I predict a much faster rate of decline in the coming months.


Stuff


I am going to let you re-read what I posted and then you can tell me where I claimed there was an average of 65k... I said the record was 65k.
Shaleb Heworo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2014-12-04 03:01:10 UTC
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
Shaleb Heworo wrote:
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ramiel Wayfarer wrote:
eve online in 2007 average 50000 + players mid week in the evening


You're telling me to wake up?




While he may have been off about the numbers, he is right in the sentiment. The all time average for the life of EVE is 27,460 and that includes years of "No one knows what this game is"

The record of 65,303 was set 19 months ago and the average for the last three months is 25,030 and that includes almost 2700 dust players (who dont count).

So using a bit of math you can see the game has regressed since a peak in the 2012-2013 area, with a plateau even in 2008... meaning the game has not grown since 2008 and started its decline at a steady but slow rate in 2013.

The Veld Lord might be right, this is probably the best marketing attempt to stop the bleeding in a long time, but I don't think subs are going to increase any time soon. In fact I predict a much faster rate of decline in the coming months.


Stuff


I am going to let you re-read what I posted and then you can tell me where I claimed there was an average of 65k... I said the record was 65k.



Yes, but my guess would be the following: By talking about (weekly) averages and then quoting those two numbers next to each other you intentionally created the impression that the division of these numbers actually is the factor by which weekly average log in numbers have decreased. For what other reason would you quote those fairly unrelated numbers in close order? Can you name one?
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-12-04 03:01:57 UTC
I like numbers a lot and I hate seeing the poor little things abused.

Are we the best we have ever been in terms of concurrent online users? No. But I think we are the best we have ever been in terms of gameplay. Vets are coming back.

Look at the link below

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility and at least have the decency to look at the graphs and see if we are going up or down and how it compares to other times.

I don't think we are dying, far from it.

but you keep spouting that meme, it makes you seem so . . . original and cutting edge

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2014-12-04 03:05:16 UTC
Chribba wrote:
... or is it the last effort to save the dying game?!?!?! ShockedShockedShocked


Pretty trailers and boring ass mechanics...eve will limp on like a leper

*still loves eve...damit*

o7
Vapor

The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
Toad The Hitchhiker
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-12-04 03:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Toad The Hitchhiker
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While he may have been off about the numbers, he is right in the sentiment. The all time average for the life of EVE is 27,460 and that includes years of "No one knows what this game is"

The record of 65,303 was set 19 months ago and the average for the last three months is 25,030 and that includes almost 2700 dust players (who dont count).

So using a bit of math you can see the game has regressed since a peak in the 2012-2013 area, with a plateau even in 2008... meaning the game has not grown since 2008 and started its decline at a steady but slow rate in 2013.

The Veld Lord might be right, this is probably the best marketing attempt to stop the bleeding in a long time, but I don't think subs are going to increase any time soon. In fact I predict a much faster rate of decline in the coming months.


Stuff


I am going to let you re-read what I posted and then you can tell me where I claimed there was an average of 65k... I said the record was 65k.



Yes, but my guess would be the following: By talking about (weekly) averages and then quoting those two numbers next to each other you intentionally created the impression that the division of these numbers actually is the factor by which weekly average log in numbers have decreased. For what other reason would you quote those fairly unrelated numbers in close order? Can you name one?



Because I was talking about two different things perhaps. On one hand you have averages, which currently are below the historical total average and dropping. One the other hand you have the moment those averages started to decrease... May of 2013. If you can't understand that, perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about my interpretation of statistics.

@Mike Azariah... eve-offline is where the numbers come from that supports the only logical conclusion available to us. Eve has not grown since 2008 and has declined since early 2013. Don't sugarcoat it. The game should have continued the modest expansion of 2006-2008 but instead stopped dead in its tracks. Furthermore first time account creation increased but total population decreased, showing that either long term players are abandoning the game, or new accounts are not resubbing.
Shaleb Heworo
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2014-12-04 04:59:55 UTC
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
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While he may have been off about the numbers, he is right in the sentiment. The all time average for the life of EVE is 27,460 and that includes years of "No one knows what this game is"

The record of 65,303 was set 19 months ago and the average for the last three months is 25,030 and that includes almost 2700 dust players (who dont count).

So using a bit of math you can see the game has regressed since a peak in the 2012-2013 area, with a plateau even in 2008... meaning the game has not grown since 2008 and started its decline at a steady but slow rate in 2013.

The Veld Lord might be right, this is probably the best marketing attempt to stop the bleeding in a long time, but I don't think subs are going to increase any time soon. In fact I predict a much faster rate of decline in the coming months.


Stuff


I am going to let you re-read what I posted and then you can tell me where I claimed there was an average of 65k... I said the record was 65k.



Yes, but my guess would be the following: By talking about (weekly) averages and then quoting those two numbers next to each other you intentionally created the impression that the division of these numbers actually is the factor by which weekly average log in numbers have decreased. For what other reason would you quote those fairly unrelated numbers in close order? Can you name one?



Because I was talking about two different things perhaps. On one hand you have averages, which currently are below the historical total average and dropping. One the other hand you have the moment those averages started to decrease... May of 2013. If you can't understand that, perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions about my interpretation of statistics.

@Mike Azariah... eve-offline is where the numbers come from that supports the only logical conclusion available to us. Eve has not grown since 2008 and has declined since early 2013. Don't sugarcoat it. The game should have continued the modest expansion of 2006-2008 but instead stopped dead in its tracks. Furthermore first time account creation increased but total population decreased, showing that either long term players are abandoning the game, or new accounts are not resubbing.



Why would you even mention a maximum and an average in the same sentence? You still havn't answered that. Because of that and for reasons stated before your conclusions to me seem premature and pretty clearly driven by an agenda.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2014-12-04 14:12:11 UTC
Rosita Renegade wrote:
After the last trailer,

Just... wow

Someone had to say it Big smile


sorry but it is

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Dominique Vasilkovsky
#90 - 2014-12-04 14:39:27 UTC
EVE is not dying, it is undead.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#91 - 2014-12-04 15:00:57 UTC
Chribba wrote:
... or is it the last effort to save the dying game?!?!?! ShockedShockedShocked

A failed attempt, this game is crashing.

in 12 months there will no longer be an EVE Online.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#92 - 2014-12-04 15:20:07 UTC
THIS, is in and of itself, EPICNESS!! Next person that says "Eve is dying" Ima gonna bench slap 'em silly! And yes I live in a trailer in Tenn. too!!

I watched the trailer maybe 4 times and gotta tell ya honestly that CCP is on the path to redemption, AND I see hopefully a bright future for all of us!!Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#93 - 2014-12-04 15:22:35 UTC
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
THIS, is in and of itself, EPICNESS!! Next person that says "Eve is dying" Ima gonna bench slap 'em silly! And yes I live in a trailer in Tenn. too!!

I watched the trailer maybe 4 times and gotta tell ya honestly that CCP is on the path to redemption, AND I see hopefully a bright future for all of us!!Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


Eve is dying. I live in north Alabama so you won't have to drive your lawnmower too far.
Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#94 - 2014-12-04 16:08:54 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
Ashlar Maidstone wrote:
THIS, is in and of itself, EPICNESS!! Next person that says "Eve is dying" Ima gonna bench slap 'em silly! And yes I live in a trailer in Tenn. too!!

I watched the trailer maybe 4 times and gotta tell ya honestly that CCP is on the path to redemption, AND I see hopefully a bright future for all of us!!Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


Eve is dying. I live in north Alabama so you won't have to drive your lawnmower too far.


LOL! OK, next time UT and "Bama plays we'll see if Eve is dying or not for sure!!LolLolLolLolLolBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile
Araxmas
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-12-04 17:35:36 UTC
I'm still waiting for the "OMG Zydrine in Lowsec?!" to kill the game.

Oh and also the Revelations HP buff..
and cap ships..
and the nano nerf..
and FW..
and BoB..
and T2..
and m0o..

Yeah bascially cretins who don't understand subscriber flux keep parroting how X will cause the heat death of Eve.

Free advice: NEVER extrapolate when working out something, just because subs are down for a few months doesn't mean it will carry on forever and ever, also ditto on when subs go up.
Ramiel Wayfarer
#96 - 2014-12-06 16:16:44 UTC
Toad The Hitchhiker wrote:
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ramiel Wayfarer wrote:
eve online in 2007 average 50000 + players mid week in the evening


You're telling me to wake up?




While he may have been off about the numbers, he is right in the sentiment. The all time average for the life of EVE is 27,460 and that includes years of "No one knows what this game is"

The record of 65,303 was set 19 months ago and the average for the last three months is 25,030 and that includes almost 2700 dust players (who dont count).

So using a bit of math you can see the game has regressed since a peak in the 2012-2013 area, with a plateau even in 2008... meaning the game has not grown since 2008 and started its decline at a steady but slow rate in 2013.

The Veld Lord might be right, this is probably the best marketing attempt to stop the bleeding in a long time, but I don't think subs are going to increase any time soon. In fact I predict a much faster rate of decline in the coming months.



Ok I admit I may of been off on the numbers slightly but most got the drift and thanks for your info and figures...
Samir Duran Xadi
Diversity Equity and Inclusion
#97 - 2014-12-06 17:14:22 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
I like numbers a lot and I hate seeing the poor little things abused.

Are we the best we have ever been in terms of concurrent online users? No. But I think we are the best we have ever been in terms of gameplay. Vets are coming back.

Look at the link below

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility and at least have the decency to look at the graphs and see if we are going up or down and how it compares to other times.

I don't think we are dying, far from it.

but you keep spouting that meme, it makes you seem so . . . original and cutting edge

m


maybe you should have looked at the link before posting so you wouldn't embarrass yourself. His post is accurate. We're on a downwards trend since 2013, hence, ccp recently getting their act together somewhat. They got a real scare when they realised their cash cow needs attention and won't go on forever fuelling their poorly-planned side projects.
Amarr Citizen 1312151005
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2014-12-06 20:21:27 UTC
Only actual game play at 3:31 lol. I have never seen a group of people try so hard to convince them selves they are playing a game that is relevant anymore. If you enjoy the game great, but man it is pretty funny seeing these kings of post. When I am enjoying a game I stay off the forums of that game and play it.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2014-12-06 20:29:56 UTC
Ramiel Wayfarer wrote:


Ok I admit I may of been off on the numbers slightly but most got the drift and thanks for your info and figures...


Slightly off? 18 months and 18000 logins. Have some things to sell you in game - my numbers are slightly off - but I hear your fine with that.
Ramiel Wayfarer
#100 - 2014-12-06 21:06:45 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
Ramiel Wayfarer wrote:


Ok I admit I may of been off on the numbers slightly but most got the drift and thanks for your info and figures...


Slightly off? 18 months and 18000 logins. Have some things to sell you in game - my numbers are slightly off - but I hear your fine with that.




The game as been on the decline/in the **** and you and I both know it so stop kidding yourself...Let us hope CCP now start pulling there act together...