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What Amarr cruiser can run C2 Wh's solo?
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Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-12-03 01:27:30 UTC
Hello everyone. I've played eve 3 years ago and I'm coming back starting over from scratch again. I'm training one of my characters for a Bhaalghorn for pvp and maybe use it for soloing C3's but atm I can fly Amarr cruisers and wanted to know if there are any Amarr cruisers that can solo C2's and possibly C3's? I prefer the cheapest method for now to reduce the risk/loss ratio to a minimum because I know getting ganked can't be avoided for a noob wormholer. My thoughts are that the Navy Omen and Navy Augoror could be a solid choice for C2 soloing or maybe a Maller and the Zealot for C3's. Any advice is welcome and some fits if you don't mind please. Thanks
Blake Nosferatu
Phoenix of the Black Sun
#2 - 2014-12-03 03:27:21 UTC
Duel rep harbinger.
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-12-03 05:15:50 UTC
Blake Nosferatu wrote:
Duel rep harbinger.


I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-12-03 06:13:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Blake Nosferatu wrote:
Duel rep harbinger.

I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates.

Cruiser skills and BC skills are literally identical other than the ~3-4days in takes to train BCs 4...
For PVE there's no reason at all to ever fly a cruiser.

PS: CCP have already rebalanced BCs and they're very good ships. Command ships also if we're talking T2.

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Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#5 - 2014-12-03 07:43:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Janeway84
Best ships for C2 wh's is battlecrusiers , battlehips , t3 and marauder.
Its to do with the spawn ranges from warpin, with battlecruiser and up you get more range than cruiser usually, so you dont need to slow boat around as much before you can start to shoot sleepers.
Slow range and npc's spawning 50-80 km away makes for yawn experience sometimes.
Dont forget to salvage the wrecks you will do ok with t1 salvager in c2 but if you want to salvage higher class wh sleeper battleship wrecks you will need t2 salvagers eventually.

Like mentioned Harbinger is a capable ship for c2's, any battleship can prob work the sites too with good skills and t2 tank & t2 gunz.
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2014-12-03 10:33:10 UTC
i've ran some c2 sites and anoms in a dual rep sacrilege though it did feel like a horrible misuse of a good pvp ship
Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#7 - 2014-12-03 10:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Papa Django
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
I prefer the cheapest method for now to reduce the risk/loss ratio to a minimum because I know getting ganked can't be avoided for a noob wormholer. [...] Any advice is welcome and some fits if you don't mind please. Thanks


Get Caldari Cruiser V and go for a self-rep Tengu that's the best choice ever for C1 to C3.

Armor ships are not for pve, especially in wspace. They are fat and slow, so it makes them really bad to w/o when you see someone in your dscan.

With a BC, most of the time when you see a ganker on your dscan it is already too late to escape.
With Armor cruiser (T2/T3) it depends but it is hard.

Shield is definitly the way to go in pve.

EDIT : The cheapest method is a passive tanking Drake but you can't avoid gank with it.
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-12-03 14:43:30 UTC
[Maller, greatestc2ratter]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Expanded Cargohold II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener

Small Hull Repairer II
Large Shield Booster II
10MN Microwarpdrive II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S

Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I





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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-12-03 22:52:47 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Blake Nosferatu wrote:
Duel rep harbinger.
I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates.

The main issues with battlecruisers in PvP are their low speed/agility/warp speed which makes them less maneuverable than cruisres. These things are hardly relevant when you are sitting in a static location to run sites. They come with extra tank and damage and only take a few days to train to level 4.

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Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#10 - 2014-12-04 00:12:59 UTC
Papa Django wrote:

Armor ships are not for pve, especially in wspace. They are fat and slow, so it makes them really bad to w/o when you see someone in your dscan.


Considering you shouldnt be plating Pve ships Armor PVE ships arent hugely less agile than shield.




Zealot works incredibly well for c2s not so much for c3s.

Although harbinger would be cheaper to lose and probably faster running the sites
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-12-04 02:08:51 UTC
Papa Django wrote:
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
I prefer the cheapest method for now to reduce the risk/loss ratio to a minimum because I know getting ganked can't be avoided for a noob wormholer. [...] Any advice is welcome and some fits if you don't mind please. Thanks


Get Caldari Cruiser V and go for a self-rep Tengu that's the best choice ever for C1 to C3.

Armor ships are not for pve, especially in wspace. They are fat and slow, so it makes them really bad to w/o when you see someone in your dscan.

With a BC, most of the time when you see a ganker on your dscan it is already too late to escape.
With Armor cruiser (T2/T3) it depends but it is hard.

Shield is definitly the way to go in pve.

EDIT : The cheapest method is a passive tanking Drake but you can't avoid gank with it.


I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-12-04 02:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Segraina Skyblazer
Borsek wrote:
[Maller, greatestc2ratter]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Expanded Cargohold II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Co-Processor II
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener

Small Hull Repairer II
Large Shield Booster II
10MN Microwarpdrive II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Dual Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S

Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

No need to thank me, this baby is the best out there at burning



What the hell is this crap. If you meant this as a joke....it's not funny.
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-12-04 02:15:26 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Blake Nosferatu wrote:
Duel rep harbinger.
I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates.

The main issues with battlecruisers in PvP are their low speed/agility/warp speed which makes them less maneuverable than cruisres. These things are hardly relevant when you are sitting in a static location to run sites. They come with extra tank and damage and only take a few days to train to level 4.



It's worth considering. Can a level 4 skilled Harbinger pilot solo C2's?
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#14 - 2014-12-04 03:17:35 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
It's worth considering. Can a level 4 skilled Harbinger pilot solo C2's?


The Harbinger is a delightful boat for C2 work. Pays for itself in about 4 sites. Pursuant to your original request, however, the Navy Omen and Arbitrator can also solo in C2.

I'll leave the Navy Omen as a fitting exercise for you (there are at least two different ways to do it; neither is "wrong". Focus on keeping your speed up and maybe fit for a bit of extra tank when you're getting started). The Arbitrator that can solo C2s easily is surprising, though.

[Arbitrator, C2 Solo]

Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Super-cheap (it usually pays for itself in one or two sites!) and surprisingly effective. And if you like this, then get your skills up; a Gila or a Stratios can be fit similarly and run the sites in half the time at twenty times the expense. Use your afterburner sparingly, because certain anom battleships will neut you and ruin your night. Pull the drones between each wave, and never unleash the drones against any target you're not within 10km of, or the Sleepers will tend to web them and destroy them.

There are much better choices for this, but I've never seen one that can do C2 sites so cheaply.
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-12-04 03:57:53 UTC
TXG SYNC wrote:
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
It's worth considering. Can a level 4 skilled Harbinger pilot solo C2's?


The Harbinger is a delightful boat for C2 work. Pays for itself in about 4 sites. Pursuant to your original request, however, the Navy Omen and Arbitrator can also solo in C2.

I'll leave the Navy Omen as a fitting exercise for you (there are at least two different ways to do it; neither is "wrong". Focus on keeping your speed up and maybe fit for a bit of extra tank when you're getting started). The Arbitrator that can solo C2s easily is surprising, though.

[Arbitrator, C2 Solo]

Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5

Super-cheap (it usually pays for itself in one or two sites!) and surprisingly effective. And if you like this, then get your skills up; a Gila or a Stratios can be fit similarly and run the sites in half the time at twenty times the expense. Use your afterburner sparingly, because certain anom battleships will neut you and ruin your night. Pull the drones between each wave, and never unleash the drones against any target you're not within 10km of, or the Sleepers will tend to web them and destroy them.

There are much better choices for this, but I've never seen one that can do C2 sites so cheaply.


Music to my hears, thank you so much for the wonderful advice (the best advice I heard in this forum.) I was just starting to dread the idea of having to train amarr BC to Lev 5 just to solo C2's (don't know what else to use the harbinger for). I have amarr cruiser max out already and 4 in Assault Cruisers. If the Zealot was just as good as the harbinger for C2 soloing then I'll pay the extra in price and choose the Zealot since I also plan to use the Zealot for PVP. But even better since you mention that the navy amarr cruisers can also take on the C2's. Fly safe o7 and thanks again!
Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#16 - 2014-12-04 09:39:15 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:

I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.


If you plan to pve you should consider training them.

Missiles are the best compromise between range and DPS.

Sleepers web a lot, and some of them stay at range (40km, sometimes more).
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-12-04 13:29:07 UTC
Papa Django wrote:
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:

I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.


If you plan to pve you should consider training them.

Missiles are the best compromise between range and DPS.

Sleepers web a lot, and some of them stay at range (40km, sometimes more).



I'm training another alt for the tengu because I already know it's great for wormholes, but that'll take another 6 months for me to max out those skills. So in the meantime I was looking at what I can use atm to cun C2's in to get my feet wet. Or maybe try using a blaster tengu in 3 months if I do a little cross train with this char, but that'll take me away from my goal with her which is the Bhaalgorn (which I hear is great for PVP and wormholes).
Papa Django
Materials Harvesting Kombinat
#18 - 2014-12-04 13:46:59 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Papa Django wrote:
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:

I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.


If you plan to pve you should consider training them.

Missiles are the best compromise between range and DPS.

Sleepers web a lot, and some of them stay at range (40km, sometimes more).



I'm training another alt for the tengu because I already know it's great for wormholes, but that'll take another 6 months for me to max out those skills. So in the meantime I was looking at what I can use atm to cun C2's in to get my feet wet. Or maybe try using a blaster tengu in 3 months if I do a little cross train with this char, but that'll take me away from my goal with her which is the Bhaalgorn (which I hear is great for PVP and wormholes).


The issue with blasters is range. Some sleepers stay at range and they web a lot, but maybe less in C2 then C3.
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-12-04 15:49:03 UTC
But triple tank best tank...

I'm just being salty, because there's a sticky in this forum with wh classes and ships that can run them.

Also, I had fun making that abomination, it tanks a whole 350 dps for about 20 seconds. As for fits, enough reps, rigs so you can tank, then put the rest into damage. Get eft.
Check eve survival for site/wave dps. Take neuts into consideration. Drone boats are excellent with ecm/rr. Don't get hung up on that's a bc, t2, t3, train for all of them and pick the tool you fancy most for the job.
ArchAngael
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-12-04 16:41:29 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:

I'm training another alt for the tengu because I already know it's great for wormholes, but that'll take another 6 months for me to max out those skills. So in the meantime I was looking at what I can use atm to cun C2's in to get my feet wet. Or maybe try using a blaster tengu in 3 months if I do a little cross train with this char, but that'll take me away from my goal with her which is the Bhaalgorn (which I hear is great for PVP and wormholes).


That's the second time you mentioned maxing out the skills. I'd say to make a plan, train to 4's (or even 3s) and give it a try. If you like the style and it's effective, train to 5. Training max skills before even trying it is a recipe for disappointment, IMO.

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