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Make battleships and battlecruisers worth the warp! 2.0

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Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#301 - 2014-12-03 22:27:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Aplysia Vejun
elitatwo wrote:
[quote=baltec1]

The 1053dps Brutix will do something in the range of 200dps against the resistance of a Deimos, which in return can tank that Brutix with one rep and kill it.

ehm no. You cant tank 200 dps after resistances with one rep.
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#302 - 2014-12-03 22:39:06 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
...

Do you think it would breake EVE if battleships got better sensors to get a quicker target lock on things?

Give them non-specific firing ability, that blankets an area in damage.

The smaller the area, the higher the concentration of damage.

Control for this would be manual, and up to the pilot to coordinate with ship movements.
Small ships, while possibly more vulnerable to being affected by this level of damage, would also be the easiest to avoid it entirely.

Right now we have enormous ships with ridiculously scaled up weapons, that operate otherwise exactly the same as their counterparts do on a frigate.


No more AOE damage please. It's scales extremely quickly and is difficult to balance. Smart bombs aren't too bad because they require a great deal of skill and specialization to make work, but bombs are on the cusp.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#303 - 2014-12-03 22:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: SFM Hobb3s
How about making bombs targetable...and almost instalockable. Let BS defend themselves using their own guns.


I'm somewhat reminded of the way ordnance was constantly being intercepted in B5.
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#304 - 2014-12-03 23:11:14 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
[quote=baltec1]

The 1053dps Brutix will do something in the range of 200dps against the resistance of a Deimos, which in return can tank that Brutix with one rep and kill it.

ehm no. You cant tank 200 dps after resistances with one rep.


Most brutixes aren't doing that much DPS now anyhow. Hull tanked the generally have in the 6-700 range, any higher than that and they start losing a lot of buffer quickly. Dual web brutixes can fit a medium neut, but a deimos can still comfortably tank it's dps with one rep running and an occasional pulse from the second without having to worry about it's cap booster being strained. Small neut MMJD brutix fits fair a little worse but either one will go down to a competent deimos pilot.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#305 - 2014-12-03 23:19:54 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:
Most brutixes aren't doing that much DPS now anyhow. Hull tanked the generally have in the 6-700 range, any higher than that and they start losing a lot of buffer quickly. Dual web brutixes can fit a medium neut, but a deimos can still comfortably tank it's dps with one rep running and an occasional pulse from the second without having to worry about it's cap booster being strained. Small neut MMJD brutix fits fair a little worse but either one will go down to a competent deimos pilot.


Oh. My excuse is that I didn't make a rail-kiting Brutix fit yet.

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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#306 - 2014-12-03 23:20:56 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:
No more AOE damage please. It's scales extremely quickly and is difficult to balance. Smart bombs aren't too bad because they require a great deal of skill and specialization to make work, but bombs are on the cusp.


SFM Hobb3s wrote:
How about making bombs targetable...and almost instalockable. Let BS defend themselves using their own guns.


I'm somewhat reminded of the way ordnance was constantly being intercepted in B5.

Actually, I am not suggesting bombs so much as a shotgun-like spray effect.
A bomb's damage is far more concentrated by comparison, while this would be unlikely to do comparable significant damage without the target sitting downrange quite a while.

This would almost be analogous to damage over time effects, while a bomb is all at once to anything in range.

This is basically shelling by artillery. I believe it only becomes notably effective when several ships stack the effects.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#307 - 2014-12-03 23:28:45 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Argument was the battlecruisers are outmatched by t1 cruisers. Thats simply not true.

Some are, some aren't. A lot aren't worth the increased build cost relative to cruisers when you add up their down sides such as significantly lower mobility as well. You picked one of the currently performing BC's to base off. Which of course creates a biased view point.
CCP have metrics and have outright said in one of the recent threads that BC's as well as BS are not performing as well in the overall meta as they want them to be. But that they have been balancing inside each class first to make sure the classes are as equal as possible, then they will look at the between class balance more.


People not using them does not mean they are underpowered. People in games will always follow the FOTM rather than use a wide range of ships. The rook for example is a great ship that sees very little use because people just dont know about it because they never fly anything outside of the current FOTM.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#308 - 2014-12-03 23:47:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
People not using them does not mean they are underpowered. People in games will always follow the FOTM rather than use a wide range of ships. The rook for example is a great ship that sees very little use because people just dont know about it because they never fly anything outside of the current FOTM.


So nerf people Smile

You didn't answer my question yet. I am curious what you think?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#309 - 2014-12-03 23:58:47 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
People not using them does not mean they are underpowered. People in games will always follow the FOTM rather than use a wide range of ships. The rook for example is a great ship that sees very little use because people just dont know about it because they never fly anything outside of the current FOTM.


So nerf people Smile

You didn't answer my question yet. I am curious what you think?


I run off the rule of if your target dies before you can lock it then your gang didn't need your firepower anyway.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#310 - 2014-12-04 00:02:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
-snip-
I run off the rule of if your target dies before you can lock it then your gang didn't need your firepower anyway.


Interesting!

That would imply that you have support and are on the "giving" end of things, I would be curious to know that your stance would be from the "recieving" end?

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Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#311 - 2014-12-04 00:10:58 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
-snip-
I run off the rule of if your target dies before you can lock it then your gang didn't need your firepower anyway.


Interesting!

That would imply that you have support and are on the "giving" end of things, I would be curious to know that your stance would be from the "recieving" end?


WTF? lol
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#312 - 2014-12-04 00:13:11 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
-snip-
I run off the rule of if your target dies before you can lock it then your gang didn't need your firepower anyway.


Interesting!

That would imply that you have support and are on the "giving" end of things, I would be curious to know that your stance would be from the "recieving" end?


When you are the only battleship in a frigate fleet and you have my name next to it things tend to pick you out.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#313 - 2014-12-04 00:18:00 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
-snip-
I run off the rule of if your target dies before you can lock it then your gang didn't need your firepower anyway.


Interesting!

That would imply that you have support and are on the "giving" end of things, I would be curious to know that your stance would be from the "recieving" end?


WTF? lol


Calm your dirty mind!
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#314 - 2014-12-04 00:25:15 UTC
Bullet Therapist wrote:
-snip-

WTF? lol


Shocked you...

What I meant was, when you have a fleet and your battleships just adds firepower and in the other case the battleships jumps into a camp of small ships - eeek..

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#315 - 2014-12-04 00:25:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bullet Therapist wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
-snip-
I run off the rule of if your target dies before you can lock it then your gang didn't need your firepower anyway.


Interesting!

That would imply that you have support and are on the "giving" end of things, I would be curious to know that your stance would be from the "recieving" end?


WTF? lol


Calm your dirty mind!

-gets the ceremonial pants of jimmy rustling-
Yep, its gonna be one of *those* threads for a post or two.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#316 - 2014-12-04 00:31:21 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bullet Therapist wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
-snip-
I run off the rule of if your target dies before you can lock it then your gang didn't need your firepower anyway.


Interesting!

That would imply that you have support and are on the "giving" end of things, I would be curious to know that your stance would be from the "recieving" end?


WTF? lol


Calm your dirty mind!

-gets the ceremonial pants of jimmy rustling-
Yep, its gonna be one of *those* threads for a post or two.


Hey we made it 16 pages without "incidents" Big smile

Should we give up hope for ever getting a "blue" opinion in here?

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#317 - 2014-12-04 00:34:17 UTC
elitatwo wrote:


Hey we made it 16 pages without "incidents" Big smile

Should we give up hope for ever getting a "blue" opinion in here?

I've been told by a few members of CSM that they would make sure to point it out to those blue ribbon folks, but so far neither set has commented.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#318 - 2014-12-04 00:40:32 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
I've been told by a few members of CSM that they would make sure to point it out to those blue ribbon folks, but so far neither set has commented.


Maybe you could poke that member, to grace us with her / his presents here?

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#319 - 2014-12-04 00:49:21 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I've been told by a few members of CSM that they would make sure to point it out to those blue ribbon folks, but so far neither set has commented.


Maybe you could poke that member, to grace us with her / his presents here?

Next time I see that person, I will. poking members this close to rustled jimmies just sounds wrong.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#320 - 2014-12-04 01:06:11 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I've been told by a few members of CSM that they would make sure to point it out to those blue ribbon folks, but so far neither set has commented.


Maybe you could poke that member, to grace us with her / his presents here?

Next time I see that person, I will. poking members this close to rustled jimmies just sounds wrong.


Would now be a good time to talk about the thrust potential of cbcs?