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Firid Slimanov
Empyreum
#1 - 2014-12-03 13:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Firid Slimanov
So i just came back to EVE after 3½ year break. I used to do invention/manufacturing you name it. Ive got a lot of assets and an extensive bpo library. I need help in a lot of different areas so i dont waste a lot of time and isk by getting the wrong setup or just not doing it right. Even though ive done a lot of research i am stuggling getting to grips with what effect the changes will actually have for me.

1. My old spreadsheet which i made myself have been lost (which would be horribly outdated anyway). I need a new one and i would rather not have to create one myself again since im not good with spreadsheets and would have to enter everything manually. So im looking for a new one that i can use. I see a lot of awesome new production tools that can tell me exactly what my total manufacturing cost on a single item is and even tell me what is the most profitable item to build. What im looking for though, is a spreadsheet where i can see the production cost of all items in a category (rigs for example) at a glance without having to find each individual item in a dropdown list. Does anyone know if there is such a thing out there?

2. I had been back for 2 days and i mangaed to get my freighter ganked in highsec due to me autopiloting it with 6bn in the cargohold. Is it safe to move stuff with a webber and a freighter. If gankers fit warp disruptors can they tackle me before i warp of? Im currently using a hyena to web my freighter.

3. I used to manufacture 425mm rails to get minerals to null sec. Would the best way to move minerals around now, be to buy compressed ore and move it to null sec and refine it locally? Is there any mineral waste or other costs associated with this procedure other than transport cost and any taxes there may be at refining station? Would the best way to refine in high sec, be to use a refning array at a pos? I still have a lot of 425mm rails lying around. Is the most optimum way to refine these to reprocess them at a maxed out null sec refinery with a scrapmetal 5 character?

Thats all i can think of right now but i will probably ask more questions along the way.

I really appriciate anyone who can help me out here. Thank you
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-12-03 14:32:22 UTC
My break was 2.5yrs and I came back 3 months ago - I know how you feel.Big smile It is indeed worth parsing as many of the Dev Blogs that you missed - but the one(s) to concentrate on cover the 'Crius' patch - in which most of the Industry changes occurred.

Some answers:

1. I've always made my own - and you would indeed (re-)learn a great deal by trying to do so. However, depending on the things you need, you may well find something out there; there are a lot more useful tools and apps that have been made by players.

2. Getting your freighter ganked was, I'm afraid, you not remembering that they were always vulnerable. However, this does happen more often these days. Scouting and Webbing still work - also investigate the duelling mechanics and the changes to aggression flagging. You can also tank your freighter a lot more now too (restricted low slots) at the expense of cargo-space.

I would also (and happily recommend) you investigating the 'Red/'Blue/'Black Frog' services. A very well organised service that assumes, for a fee, the risk for you. The very first time I used them, their freighter got ganked! It could have been a marketing ploy, but I very much doubt it!!! I even ended up a couple of hundred million up - whilst they lost over 9b.....

3. Yes, big change to the material requirements of many things and the demise of regular 100% reprocessing to get back minerals. Compression is now the key. Compress at a POS and refine at a POS/Upgraded Station - investigate the Reprocessing Implants too for maximum yields. Scrapmetal to V for reprocessing items; Ore skill(s) to V for max refining.

NB - certainly happy to try and help - for you will ask something I haven't yet rediscovered yet!Shocked And I'm sure someone else will point out anything I've gotten wrong above, which I have to caveat for that reason.....

Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#3 - 2014-12-03 21:12:46 UTC  |  Edited by: SJ Astralana
The fastest way to get up to speed would be to use Eve Production Manager. Use it for up to two months with no obligation, and if you'd prefer to do everything the hard way going forward you'll have time to plan for the transition.

Hyperdrive your production business: Eve Production Manager

Firid Slimanov
Empyreum
#4 - 2014-12-04 11:24:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Firid Slimanov
Marcus Tedric wrote:
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Thank you very much that was very helpfull. I have been reading a lot of dev blogs but its a lot of info to take in and some stuff in dev blogs doesnt actually make it ingame.

I will probably have to make my own spreadsheet again over time, and you are right it will probably be very educational.

I am aware of red frogs services but hiring them to move 30+ freighter loads over 30 jumps made me shudder at the thought of the cost this would incur, so i thought id better do it myself.

Thank you for the heads up about reproccesing implants, i had forgotten about them and for the rest of your answer.

SJ Astralana wrote:
The fastest way to get up to speed would be to use Eve Production Manager. Use it for up to two months with no obligation, and if you'd prefer to do everything the hard way going forward you'll have time to plan for the transition.


I have checked out Eve Production Manager and it is an awesome tool. Especially the way it can identfy trends which has caused me to loose a lot of potential profit over the years. I am not however, very fond of the 5% profit fee, even though i fully understand it. But im just too greedy (for lack of a better word) to pay that. There are other free services that will suit my needs better. It was a stab in the dark that someone would have exactly what i was looking for at hand. Im probably gonna have to do it meselfs :(

Thank you though for helping me.
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#5 - 2014-12-04 12:46:26 UTC  |  Edited by: SJ Astralana
Firid Slimanov wrote:

I have checked out Eve Production Manager and it is an awesome tool. Especially the way it can identfy trends which has caused me to loose a lot of potential profit over the years. I am not however, very fond of the 5% profit fee, even though i fully understand it. But im just too greedy (for lack of a better word) to pay that. There are other free services that will suit my needs better. It was a stab in the dark that someone would have exactly what i was looking for at hand. Im probably gonna have to do it meselfs :(
Thank you though for helping me.


Sorry to lose the opportunity. But if you value your time less than hiring an afk RFF hauler, odds are it's win win in some stupid sense or other. Pro tip: minerals you mine are free. And have fun competing against producers who have team valuations and market research available on a daily basis. I'm sure that will end well.

Hyperdrive your production business: Eve Production Manager

Firid Slimanov
Empyreum
#6 - 2014-12-05 11:54:32 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
Firid Slimanov wrote:

I have checked out Eve Production Manager and it is an awesome tool. Especially the way it can identfy trends which has caused me to loose a lot of potential profit over the years. I am not however, very fond of the 5% profit fee, even though i fully understand it. But im just too greedy (for lack of a better word) to pay that. There are other free services that will suit my needs better. It was a stab in the dark that someone would have exactly what i was looking for at hand. Im probably gonna have to do it meselfs :(
Thank you though for helping me.


Sorry to lose the opportunity. But if you value your time less than hiring an afk RFF hauler, odds are it's win win in some stupid sense or other. Pro tip: minerals you mine are free. And have fun competing against producers who have team valuations and market research available on a daily basis. I'm sure that will end well.


So here i am, praising your app and you start giving me BS. I dont get it.

Maybe you should look into hiring a PR guy to promote your product, since you just want to make an ass of yourself on the forums.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#7 - 2014-12-05 12:51:23 UTC
1) I used to use Eve Isk Per Hour, which had an excellent filter for blueprints in order to determine profitability, but it's still more or less outdated. The current version, 3.1, is currently still a beta, with some features still not working or bugged. Worth a look, however, imho one of the best tools for industry, and it's completely free.

2) Yes, freighter ganking has become quite an annoyance, as far as I heard/read. But scouting, tanking your freighter and just decreasing the hauled value are the way to go. Also, as mentioned before, Red Frog is worth a shot. They will transport up to 1B worth of cargo, but they are quite fast and the prices are ok. Very reliable service, speaking from experience here.

3) Either buy compressed ore or compress it yourself at a POS. The ratio is about the same as it was with 425mm rails, about 1:20 with good ore refining skills. Even better with a 4% implant and a refining array or an outpost. Reprocessing is no longer an option, since CCP nerfed the output by 50% (55% with Scrapmetal reprocessing 5 I think), and the skill only applies to items, not ore or ice. Those use the corresponding ore refining skill.

There's a lot of other new thinks to industry. Teams, system indexes and changes in ME/TE. You might want to take a look at Industry Formulas over at eve-industry.org for the math.
Qoi maintains that site, offering API access to teams and system indexes for spreadsheets (here). Reminds me that I have to ask him/her how she did that mineral compression algorithm, could use something like that myself...
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#8 - 2014-12-05 18:35:11 UTC
Firid Slimanov wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:
Firid Slimanov wrote:

I have checked out Eve Production Manager and it is an awesome tool. Especially the way it can identfy trends which has caused me to loose a lot of potential profit over the years. I am not however, very fond of the 5% profit fee, even though i fully understand it. But im just too greedy (for lack of a better word) to pay that. There are other free services that will suit my needs better. It was a stab in the dark that someone would have exactly what i was looking for at hand. Im probably gonna have to do it meselfs :(
Thank you though for helping me.


Sorry to lose the opportunity. But if you value your time less than hiring an afk RFF hauler, odds are it's win win in some stupid sense or other. Pro tip: minerals you mine are free. And have fun competing against producers who have team valuations and market research available on a daily basis. I'm sure that will end well.


So here i am, praising your app and you start giving me BS. I dont get it.

Maybe you should look into hiring a PR guy to promote your product, since you just want to make an ass of yourself on the forums.


Welcome back to Eve: Spreadsheets and assholes in space.
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#9 - 2014-12-05 21:17:20 UTC
Firid Slimanov wrote:
SJ Astralana wrote:

Sorry to lose the opportunity. But if you value your time less than hiring an afk RFF hauler, odds are it's win win in some stupid sense or other. Pro tip: minerals you mine are free. And have fun competing against producers who have team valuations and market research available on a daily basis. I'm sure that will end well.


So here i am, praising your app and you start giving me BS. I dont get it.

Maybe you should look into hiring a PR guy to promote your product, since you just want to make an ass of yourself on the forums.


Does a single snarky remark imply an ass?

Anyway, the comment was designed to illustrate how a lack of understanding of opportunity cost cripples a business. Hauling your own stuff, mining your minerals, and declining to trial an application, all of which are net losses in your situation, are all indicators that the big picture isn't quite being seen.

Hyperdrive your production business: Eve Production Manager

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#10 - 2014-12-07 12:33:39 UTC
You would be best advised to read through all the dev blogs for that time. I'm fairly sure they are all still available.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .