Intergalactic Summit

I assure you that I have plenty of reasons to hate the Amarr, all of them practical and recent (see Nauplius, for example) and having nothing to do with self-identity. The Minmatar and the Republic can and do exist quite well without having to invoke the "boogey man" of the slavers and their supporters.

You do realise you're taking a statement I made about a single person and applying it to every single Minmatar, right? I never said the Minmatar as a people couldn't exist without the spectre of The Reclaiming (which, frankly all of us ought to be a little worried about, regardless of our race).

What I said was that fighting in the name of freeing slaves by doing things that hurts the Empire but doesn't actually contribute to the freeing of slaves all the while ignoring very real problems which need solutions before you can end slavery is more about your identity as a freedom fighter than it is about the liberty of those slaves.

Torturing a feckless youth, drugging and then murdering her has freed no slaves. Publicising it has led to the death of tens of thousands of them. It has upset one Lord Holder (who probably has many other children) and pretty much guaranteed that the next time he's in a confrontation with one of his slaves, he won't see the actual slave, he'll just see the murderer of his child. Do you think this will improve the quality of the slave's life? Do you think it will encourage the Lord Holder to embrace Liberalism?

No. If anything it will harden his stance. Harden his whole family's stance. It'll cause him to build a shrine to his dead daughter in the family chapel and it'll mean his families financial support whenever the 24th Crusade comes rattling it's collecting tin at his door.

I understand that sometimes a futile struggle at least keeps the issue alive - it forces them to think about it, it reminds them that their actions (or lack of them) have consequences but it kind of shocks me that the one time a major release of slaves occurred it was never followed up. Why did Jamyl release them? How can further releases be triggered? Was it a coy invitation to open negotiations? Was it her way of pointing out that simply releasing large numbers of slaves would likely hurt the Empire less than the Republic? Were you supposed to spot flaws in the way you processed these new Republic citizens and amass resources and facilities to allow you to process them better than the system of refugee camps you used last time?

Was she actually talking to her own people, more than yours? Was releasing all those slaves a warning to the Lords Holder that the current economic model won't hold forever and an attempt to encourage them to wean themselves off reliance on slavery as a labour source? I'm not sure I've ever seen those topics seriously debated on here by either Amarrians or Minmatar.

Being or having slave is prohibited in the State by law.
And breaking law in the State is illegal.


People get payrolls depending on how great they can work. If they are poor workers, they are poor citizens.
Those, who work hard and achieve great results in the State quickly get promotions and rather huge paychecks.
The State doesn't support bad workers and generously gifts those, who dedicate themselves to work.
If you are a worthless person, the State doesn't have to maintain your welbeing.

As for racism, Caldari are not racists. Gallente are Racists. Caldari were never trying to exterminate gallente.
Do you rememeber what happened on Caldari Prime right before the war and what actually caused the need of quick Caldari intervention?
Gallentes were attacking Caldari and our culture all over Caldari Prime, putting slogans to "Exterminate Caldari".
And that was just six years ago.
Don't tell me about Caldari racism anymore.


In Caldari society we don't tolerate lie as well.
If you claim someone being or having slaves, you are to report them immediately.
If you don't report and the tribunal didnt prove them to be slaves, you have no right claiming they are.
If you do such claims, you are nothing but a liar and honorless useless person.

The Lord will punish them. This life or after.
Mr. Nauplius, He will punish you as well.

You sound delightful.

Similar but evolving modus operandi. I'm starting to get a bead on this guys pathology - I'd say we have a budding serial killer.

Note that the death of Phanca was rushed, almost amateur. He clearly ended it too quickly and wasn't able to savour the emotions well enough. The death of the next victim is described as being drawn out. He describes enjoyment and satisfaction from the killing. See that some ritual elements are preserved - there are trappings of a court - the concepts of crime, judgement and sentence. He ends with an old Amarrian motto - the ends justify the means (lit the result justifies the act) which reinforces this. Note that the publicity of the killing was foregone this time, showing that the publicity of the event is secondary to it's occurrence. I'd look to see the publicity restored as his method evolves - perhaps as his confidence improves.

He has constructed a flimsy rationale for his actions, which is internally consistent, but despite obvious signs of education and intelligence, he ignores the obvious flaws in his arguments - he's clearly more interested in how this narrative is playing out in his head than in how it is received by others.

He does register the shock of others, but he ignores the details of their responses - merely measuring how emotional it is. As a classic example of this, he briefly entertains Naupilus' slaughter of tens of thousands of Matari slaves but instead of considering that a crime, per se, he merely compares the number to the number of slaves in his own narrative. The number is comparative and not additive. It is like a score the two of them are keeping - the number of slaves killed by the people he kills versus the number of slaves Naupilus kills in response.

(As a side note, look to see Naupilus kill a larger number of slaves in response. That's part of HIS pathology.)

Essentially. Except Phanca, of course, didn't have any control over her father's actions. This time he 'punished' more directly. The most troubling aspect is that he knows his actions will lead to the execution of lots of slaves but he's already rationalised that away. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts grading his kills by the number of Minmatar slaves killed in response to them.

It'll become a sort of game that he and Naupilus play together - with him trying to find people responsible for the deaths of more and more slaves and Naupilus killing more and more slaves in response. Naupilus, of course, never needs reasons to kill more slaves - an orgy of bloodletting is a good time by him. Our new killer is likely to be similarly unmoved - and the weird competition between the two of them may well end up causing far more death and destruction than either would have committed on their own.

Worse, the guy appears to be Amarrian himself. Or at least a naturalised slave within the Empire - so we certainly can't discount the possibility that this is a false-flag action meant to make the Minmatar look bad.

I'm clearly clutching for straws on this one, but would it be possible this guys working with naupulis in some attempt to make us look bad? I mean he isn't exactly a friend of Amar, so killing them wouldn't bother him, and making up some excuse to label us a "sub human race" would only help him. Just a thought.

I don't think it's likely he's working with Naupilus as he neither needs Minmatar to look bad to feel good about executing them in horrible ways, nor wants the Empire to look comparatively better than the Matari. You're looking for a different monster, one who hides his pathology behind Patriotism. Someone like Rodj Blake, for example, although I am in no way accusing him of this.

This in no way makes us look bad. An Ammarian killing Ammarians has little to do with us.