EVE General Discussion

I have no idea how this hauling stuff works.

But I do know one thing...

It is probably not the best idea to load 2B nor 5B ISK into your freighter.

Its not an issue when there are some very simple counters to it.

when manual movement comes out in reha u can setup keys u want to move ur ship manually and that is the best way to avoid bumps as it kinda breaks physics and moves large ships turns them very fast

Doesn't work this way.
Ganking freighters is so cheap that they just gank empty ones for fun. It's not a rare event, that's happening every day. Just from last week empty or almost emty (below ganking value):
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/42791439/
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/42776286/
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/42714532/
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/42665205/
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/42664682/
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/42714532/

Pretty much everyone doing this is -10.0 sec status, which means that they can't simply hang around the gate waiting for a ship. They have a bumping ship with high security status to keep the freighter there, and, of course, the bumping ship doesn't get a security status penalty for the gank, regardless of the fact that it's the key role allowing the whole operation to happen.

With the bumping ship the gank has no chance of failure. So we have something that has no chance of failure and the victim has no chance of escape, and it is done purely for player harassment with no profit whatsoever. It's also cheap enough to afford on regular basis.

So let's see how we can avoid this:
Changing route ? All routes across high sec travel through at least one 0.5 system.
Bringing friends ? Maybe, if you carry 3-4B once per week. If you fly a freighter regularly (a few hundred jumps per day), it's not feasible to have someone escort you all the time, especially when it is empty.
Webbing alt ? Yes it works, but a game mechanic that requires paying for two accounts doesn't seem like an intended way to play the game.
Scouting and checking map ? Yes, most of the time. However, even if you don't see 20 red people in local, a single battleship and a rookie ship can pin you there until the gang comes, even if it takes 30 minutes.
Tanking your ship ? Yes, this is the best defense. However, this just brings the gank cost a bit higher. They gank empty jump freighters just for fun. Since they don't do it for profit, it's only a question of having enough people online.

Obviously, killing people for fun should be allowed. Carrying 2B in a 1B ship should not be a safe thing either. However, this is systematic player harassment, and the main goal of this is not to make profit, to get a cool kill mail, or to gain something in game, but to make people angry and miserable. Especially since it's all done via valid game mechanics that are not preventable.

The gameplay mechanics should be such that it's not viable to repeatedly gank at a huge loss just for entertainment. Bumping, which has the same practical effect as warp disruption, is obviously a problem. My free warp out idea would at least solve the multiple ganker waves issues. Far longer GCC timers for -10s would also help a lot.

It's not the victim's job to defend himself from criminal acts. That's what CONCORD is for. The victim's only job should be to survive long enough for CONCORD to arrive. The problem with bumping is that even though it is an aggressive act, CONCORD doesn't respond. This breaks the paradigm of highsec, and makes hauling unduly dangerous.

You do realise that CODE. freighter killing fleets have replaced donations as the primary source of alliance income, right? The empty ones happen to set an example of why our permit product is worth buying.

CODE. alts often fly freighters and orcas around and AFAIK none have been ganked, despite CODE. having nothing approaching a monopoly on ganking. Our alts simply are not stupid and take myriad precautions to avoid danger. Scouting, quiet lowsec alternative routes to avoid dangerous systems, and outsourcing the risk through contracts when appropriate.

I scout when moving a 300m Ishtar around highsec, so it's only natural that I would not consider undocking a 1300m ship with 800m in cargo without at least a forward scout. If you have a forward scout, it is almost impossible to gank you, especially if your forward scout is an in-corp Daredevil pilot.

Grrr Veers detected.

"Ballast modules"

The real problem here is that some people think they are entitled to move a slow, unarmed Freighter worth billions of ISK safely through space without escort, scout or any effort to protect themselves. Highsec has been made so safe that people feel violated if they even have to think about strategies to avoid the destruction of their assets.

The solution is obvious. Make Highsec more dangerous to a degree where it becomes obvious again that you shouldn't pilot your valuable defenses ships without escort.

I mean this threads pop up every other day and no amount of nerfs will stop the ganking of Freighters. It will simply limit it to big entities like CODE. or Goonswarm and make Highsec piracy completely unavailable for new smaller corporations. I hope I am not the only one who thinks that removing interesting gameplay in favor of some careless AFK autopiloting playstile isn't the right way to go for a game.

It's simply a perception issue because Highsec seams to be safe which it isn't if you have the right amount of people on the other side.

No, translation " law enforcement should impose sufficient costs on criminal activity that it is only done occasionally, and to achieve concrete goals. It should be the rule, not the exception. Travel in empire space should generally be completely safe, except for those who turn themselves into targets (ex. officer mods), and except for some rare acts of random violence."