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Amarr cruisers are gimped.
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Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-12-03 04:52:03 UTC
Shelom Severasse wrote:
Ares Desideratus wrote:
A Thorax can do anything an Omen can do at any range + it has extra utility in mid slots

hahahahahahahaha

bro

just stop already

my sides cant take much more

but seriously. at kiting range the thorax NEEDS rails, at brawl range the thorax NEEDS blasters. where as the omen just needs pulses.

a thorax CANNOT do everything an omen can. DIFFERENT ships are DIFFERENT.

So what if it NEEDS rails to kite, it can still get the job done and arguably better than an Omen because same stats but extra utility.
Reynas Arthie
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-12-03 05:09:56 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Hey, here's a solution to crap ships! just don't fly them! Big smile

Geez wish I would have thought of that !



Roll

Here is a shovel. That hole you keep digging just gets bigger and deeper.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-12-03 05:18:06 UTC
Oh no, you mean I'm making a fool of myself on an internet forum ?

Damn... I don't know what to do with my life now.

Can't say I'm surprised by these responses though. Same thing happened when I said they should make Tech 3 Dessies. Boom, now it's happening.

I also remember calling for the Nighthawk to get that resist bonus like the Drake and people said I was dumb then too.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#64 - 2014-12-03 05:46:49 UTC
just stop feeding the troll
The-Ron-Coyote
Black Scorpions Inc
#65 - 2014-12-03 09:09:44 UTC
Kosetzu wrote:


Hate to tell you but that is what is good about the game. Not everything needs to have the same things.



This pretty much sums up all ship griping that is involved with the game itself.

Truth is while each race has it's strengths and weaknesses. There is no perfect way to go. There is no skill set that makes you unstoppable.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#66 - 2014-12-03 09:40:21 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
people said I was dumb then too.


maybe they are onto something.....
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#67 - 2014-12-03 09:56:11 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
Ares Desideratus wrote:
people said I was dumb then too.


maybe they are onto something.....


I pretty much gave up on the guy....
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#68 - 2014-12-03 11:19:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ggodhsup
im not going to.

Ares Desideratus wrote:
. Boom, now it's happening.




you sig is offensive....and you need a facebook.

look for attention elsewhere.....you are ruining my forum experience.

seriously....when was the last time you used an amarr cruiser.....you kb says.....never......well.....maybe you lost one.....then made this miraculous discovery.

to which you ran to the forums to tell everyone about.....and now.....everyone thinks your a dunce.

EDIT: wait you have lost a few....to blaster ships.....dont you know that they have terrible falloff?....or are you blaming amarr cruisers being bad on the premise that you only fly the omen and then try to brawl with blaster ships with it?

you really are a dunce.

EDIT EDIT: OP is gimped....close thread please.
Abby Silverwind
Demonic Retribution
The Initiative.
#69 - 2014-12-03 14:14:02 UTC
Nothing wrong with Amarr ships. Maybe there not part of the meta atm but Nomen, omen, Naug, maller, arby, all great ships when fitted and used correctly.

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me;

Your rod and your staff, they comfort me.

Drunk Posting Best Posting
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2014-12-03 16:17:03 UTC
ggodhsup wrote:
im not going to.

Ares Desideratus wrote:
. Boom, now it's happening.




you sig is offensive....and you need a facebook.

look for attention elsewhere.....you are ruining my forum experience.

seriously....when was the last time you used an amarr cruiser.....you kb says.....never......well.....maybe you lost one.....then made this miraculous discovery.

to which you ran to the forums to tell everyone about.....and now.....everyone thinks your a dunce.

EDIT: wait you have lost a few....to blaster ships.....dont you know that they have terrible falloff?....or are you blaming amarr cruisers being bad on the premise that you only fly the omen and then try to brawl with blaster ships with it?

you really are a dunce.

EDIT EDIT: OP is gimped....close thread please.

You can't exploit the terrible falloff of the Thorax without range control. So you are completely outclassed in scram range and the only option left is to use Scorch at long range. At that point the Thorax can easily be fit to do the same thing (kite at long range) only with extra utility in mid slot.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-12-03 16:25:59 UTC
Abby Silverwind wrote:
Nothing wrong with Amarr ships. Maybe there not part of the meta atm but Nomen, omen, Naug, maller, arby, all great ships when fitted and used correctly.

You're making the mistake of throwing navy ships in there when I have no beef with them.

Focus on the three Tech 1s you put in there, the Omen, Maller and Arby.

The only thing the maller is good for is being a slow brick tanked sitting duck. Oh hey apparently people fly in Maller fleets so apparently it must not be crap. People fly in Velator fleets too but it's good on them for exploiting the armor tank and range of the Maller. It's still crap

The Omen can't do anything better than the other cruisers. It is completely out-classed in scram range, like, you stand no chance in scram range because of no range or no brawling ability. Even if you fit it with AB + scram + web you still have no range control because other cruisers can do the exact same thing but with TWO webs. You are left to kite with Scorch. The problem here is that every other cruiser can be fit to kite and do it just as well as the Omen, with the Thorax being just as good at kiting but with extra utility in mid slots. The Stabber has a decent chunk of speed advantage right off the bat.

The Arbitrator is as slow as a Rupture but has no tank and barely any DPS. It's an embarassment.
Shelom Severasse
The Disney World Federation
Fraternity.
#72 - 2014-12-03 19:46:04 UTC
Im gonna laugh when i pop whatever youre flying with an omen.
Then, ill post the link in this thread.
So it gets locked.
And then everyone will see the last comment in this thread with your being killed by an omen.
#imcomingforyakourmonen
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-12-03 20:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
Shelom Severasse wrote:
Im gonna laugh when i pop whatever youre flying with an omen.
Then, ill post the link in this thread.
So it gets locked.
And then everyone will see the last comment in this thread with your being killed by an omen.
#imcomingforyakourmonen


I've gotten kills with a Impairor. That doesn't make it a good pvp ship.

In a 1v1, I will dominate you from beginning to end.
Shelom Severasse
The Disney World Federation
Fraternity.
#74 - 2014-12-03 21:31:36 UTC
Sure
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#75 - 2014-12-03 22:01:03 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
ggodhsup wrote:
im not going to.

Ares Desideratus wrote:
. Boom, now it's happening.




you sig is offensive....and you need a facebook.

look for attention elsewhere.....you are ruining my forum experience.

seriously....when was the last time you used an amarr cruiser.....you kb says.....never......well.....maybe you lost one.....then made this miraculous discovery.

to which you ran to the forums to tell everyone about.....and now.....everyone thinks your a dunce.

EDIT: wait you have lost a few....to blaster ships.....dont you know that they have terrible falloff?....or are you blaming amarr cruisers being bad on the premise that you only fly the omen and then try to brawl with blaster ships with it?

you really are a dunce.

EDIT EDIT: OP is gimped....close thread please.

You can't exploit the terrible falloff of the Thorax without range control. So you are completely outclassed in scram range and the only option left is to use Scorch at long range. At that point the Thorax can easily be fit to do the same thing (kite at long range) only with extra utility in mid slot.


your damage will be exactly the same with pulses and scorch at long range.....range control against a thorax isnt difficult....stay out of web range.....done. which is the falloff of blasters even with null. so med utility slot is kinda moot....what? is he/she going cap boost his/her way into range? you have obviously never piloted anything but amarr......try training another race.

im not sure how many rail thoraxes youve seen.....but a worm would have its way with one.(or anything fast enough to outrun/track med drones)
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-12-03 22:22:38 UTC
You say that while conveniently ignoring the fact that the Thorax can be just as effective at kiting, or even more effective at it, than the Omen.

And as if an Omen is the bane of kiting Worms or something. Sure there is definitely a slightly greater chance that you will be able to land good shots on a Worm with Heavy Pulses than with 250mm Railguns, but both can be used and both can be effective, even against a kiting Worm. The tracking advantage is less significant than the speed of both the Omen and Thorax giving them the ability to pull range and cut transversal velocity to land good dps.

So what's left for the Omen ? It is completely out-classed in scram range and outside of scram range it can barely equal itself out with the other cruisers.
Reynas Arthie
Doomheim
#77 - 2014-12-03 23:01:03 UTC
In the words of Agony Unleashed

Stop Sucking!
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2014-12-03 23:23:45 UTC
That's what I'm saying man.

The Omen needs to stop sucking right now.
ggodhsup
relocation LLC.
#79 - 2014-12-04 16:17:16 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
Shelom Severasse wrote:
Im gonna laugh when i pop whatever youre flying with an omen.
Then, ill post the link in this thread.
So it gets locked.
And then everyone will see the last comment in this thread with your being killed by an omen.
#imcomingforyakourmonen


I've gotten kills with a Impairor. That doesn't make it a good pvp ship.

In a 1v1, I will dominate you from beginning to end.



make sure to bring your gimped omen.....im sure the domination will be awesome.

and a rail rax has no tank.......try to fit one.....try it.

better yet.....try to fit a thorax with long range anything and a tank.

you are missing everything these people are telling you.

P.S. your sig still has the f word in it. it makes you look stupid. that should have been the red flag.

i feel like you are a veers alt. oh yeah.....your avatar is ugly and you suck at pvp.....dont blame ships for your inadequacy.
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#80 - 2014-12-04 19:36:53 UTC
He's pretty clueless, just don't feed the troll.....