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Dear CCP, the price to X-fer a char. should be 1-Plex

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#41 - 2014-12-03 10:44:56 UTC
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Mister Holder
Faceless Men
#42 - 2014-12-03 10:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mister Holder
Heavy Metall wrote:
2 Plex is really much, 1 Plex is more then enough.
..but , if 2 Plex i want a more Service, like, Change Charname, delete Corp History..
Name because, u dont have any history with the Char before u buy it, its a new Gamer behind, a hole different Person, will be nice



CCP has already stated they don't want people to be able to change their names or clear corp history because they want there to be "consequences" for their actions.

The problem with this is that you can openly sell characters on the forums. If you are a corp thief or awoxer you will more than likely dump the toons that you used to commit the crimes on the market. So not only do you get away with the booty, but you pretty much get away scott free since you get rid of the character linking you to the crime.

imo it is ********, and CCP should allow name changes, and corp history clearing for a price.



On topic: 2 PLEX is way too much for a character transfer when it costs 20$ RL money. I used to use the PLEX method until I realized that I make 30$ an hour, and it takes wayyyyyy more time than less than an hour work to get isk for 2 PLEX. I understand why some people say "bite the bullet and use isk or RL money", but someone had to pay for the PLEX at one point which means they got their 20$ regardless. It is just a greedy tactic imo, but seems to be working for them so far.
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#43 - 2014-12-03 10:54:40 UTC
+1

2 PLEX is too much.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#44 - 2014-12-03 10:56:38 UTC
agreed

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-12-03 11:02:21 UTC
Price has been the same for years and it's an issue now?

Pony up the 23€ for 2x PLEX (or $40) and be done with it.
Yazad Antollare
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2014-12-03 11:48:58 UTC
it's an issue now because plex is near 1 bil isk, it costs more to transfer a character than some are worth,

and not everyone can spend money in the game thats is why we have plex
Ix Method
Doomheim
#47 - 2014-12-03 12:43:37 UTC
Kinda agree, allowing plex to go from 250m > 1b while maintaining the same Plex Cost for services seems a bit Shocked

Travelling at the speed of love.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-12-03 12:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zan Shiro
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Price has been the same for years and it's an issue now?

Pony up the 23€ for 2x PLEX (or $40) and be done with it.




It took a while for this to bite ccp on the ass didn't it?


Gets in grumpy old man character....

I remember when char transfer was a pay to use feature....only. As in on the account management site payment.


Also kind of funny is some wondered what would happen when ccp started on this plex for blah blah service path. They got their answer. This among other things started the plex speculation surge that wrecked plex prices.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-12-03 14:45:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
u Ohu wrote:
disagree.

20$/€ is the price and for less you can get 1 plex that is true.
However! people that use plex dont pay for it with rl money so there is a difference.

I would like to pay less also ofcourse but there is no logical reason to make that change in my opinion


Why would I pay the x-fer cost with real money if I can buy a PLEX for cheaper and get the same service in the end? It cost more in PLEX because PLEX have more value than a directly paid service.

Next those people will cry that a PLEX should give you a month and a half of game time because they cost too much while subs stayed at the same price?

Edited because reading comprehension was hard. Hard like paying 2 PLEX I guess...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-12-03 14:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Frostys Virpio
Ix Method wrote:
Kinda agree, allowing plex to go from 250m > 1b while maintaining the same Plex Cost for services seems a bit Shocked


The real value of a PLEX never changed in term of $ and that is the value CCP care about. How people charge to transfer it in game is irrelevant. The income for CCP is not calculated in ISK. They can't pay any employee in ISK and the save is true for all other running cost. If the cost for the transaction drop to 1 PLEX, people will just buy one PLEX with RL money to pay for it instead of the actual price.

Yazad Antollare wrote:
it's an issue now because plex is near 1 bil isk, it costs more to transfer a character than some are worth,

and not everyone can spend money in the game thats is why we have plex


Nobody who can't spend money on the game NEED to have character transfered. None of them NEED multi character train.
Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
#51 - 2014-12-03 15:25:35 UTC
/Signed

If you pay in PLEX you pay up to twice the amount of real cash that is charged for the transfer.
Also if I remember correctly, once upon a time, the price was 1 PLEX, but I could be wrong.
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-12-03 15:50:11 UTC
Character transfer is a bonus to Eve. If you want to use it, you pay as specified. If you don't want to pay as specified you don't use it. Like most things in life. Jeez, you people whine.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#53 - 2014-12-03 16:30:40 UTC
I disagree because of buddy invite rewards.

The last thing we need is a broken character market and CCP making abusable system.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#54 - 2014-12-03 17:39:29 UTC
Not supported. The only value that matters is how much a PLEX costs in real money, not ISK.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Alundil
Rolled Out
#55 - 2014-12-03 18:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alundil
Heavy Metall wrote:

..but , if 2 Plex i want a more Service, like, Change Charname, delete Corp History..
Name because, u dont have any history with the Char before u buy it, its a new Gamer behind, a hole different Person, will be nice

This has been beaten to death for years. Deletion of corp history and name is a bad idea due to griefing issues that would arise from someone selling their griefer pilot to themselves, wiping corp history and name, and then keeping all of the SP built into the character. Then they simply go back to griefing/corp-theft/awox/whatever without any backstory to warn prospective corps that they are a danger.

If you are concerned about buying a character on the market then do the research on what the previous owner(s) might have done with the character or to others with it. There are ample avenues to perform this research. Corp history being one. C&P forums. Killboards, etc.

You wouldn't expect buy a car and then "magically" erase all of the accidents or mechanical issues its had simply because you're the new owner would you?

I'm right behind you
Ix Method
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-12-03 19:42:00 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Kinda agree, allowing plex to go from 250m > 1b while maintaining the same Plex Cost for services seems a bit Shocked


The real value of a PLEX never changed in term of $ and that is the value CCP care about. How people charge to transfer it in game is irrelevant.

If this was true, which it isn't, CCP would never have manipulated the plex price, which they have.

Travelling at the speed of love.
Iain Cariaba
#57 - 2014-12-03 20:50:59 UTC
You gotta love how many people have forgotten, or never learned, why PLEX exists in the first place.

The GTC market forum was created to give players a legitimate method of trading real money for isk, a method other than the isk sellers that used to permeate New Eden. I'm sure you've all seen the option at the bottom of the menu when you right click on a player that says "report isk seller." I could not tell you the last time I had to use this option, though I used to have to use it a few times every hour. GTCs could only be used for one thing at the time, that was to extend game time. The downside to the GTC market is that it was, and is, a tedious process that would occasionally take a while to get a code sold.

Along comes the PLEX. Now there's an in game item that can be traded on the market. This is convenient. Oh, now we can use it for other services like extra training queues, character transfers, even paying our way into Fanfest.

Underneath it all, PLEX is still nothing more than a convenience allowing you access to real world services for in game money. In the days of GTCs only, a 60 day GTC cost more than two months of subscription fees. Today, a PLEX costs more than a month of subscription fees. You are paying for convenience when using plex. Ask the guy behind the counter at your local convenience store, 75-100%, or more, markup over equivalent items in the supermarket or big box store is not unusual, but you pay it anyway because you don't want to go to the supermarket.
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