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[Rhea] Corp Invitation Changes

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#41 - 2014-12-02 06:09:59 UTC
CCP Lebowski;

Accepting applications in space would be an absolute charlie foxtrot. Check out this old exploit notification:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploit_notifications#Insta-Joining_Corporations_to_surprise_wartargets

Accepting applications in stations was specifically done to ensure people wouldn't, for instance, use the invisible corp wardec to ambush juicy targets (as watching local is no use if they aren't members of the corp until they are locking/scramming you), or drop corp instantly to trigger Concordokken.

If you want accepting-apps-in-space, then you need to have some sort of non-aggression timer.

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TheButcherPete
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2014-12-02 06:45:22 UTC
Way to completely erase all of the great progress you guys were making at unfucking this game.


Please add a "block" invite option AND NUKE ACCEPTANCE IN SPACE

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Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#43 - 2014-12-02 11:13:56 UTC
Solving non-problems and postponing real issues, CCP at its finest.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#44 - 2014-12-02 11:38:47 UTC
Skia Aumer wrote:
Solving non-problems and postponing real issues, CCP at its finest.


Yep. For a moment I thought CCP was on the right track, then this comes along.

Do not want.
Will be abused.
Not needed.
Do not fix what's not broken.

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Eva Peacemaker
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#45 - 2014-12-02 12:09:09 UTC
Hi, I'm a recruiter for BNI and sometimes applications can be a real pain.
I'd really like a change in how people can apply when they have roles.

Currently:
A is in a corp and has roles
R is a recruiter for a corp

A applies
R does all the work to know if the recruit is suitable
R accepts application
CCP says you can't invite the guy
R sends mail to the guy asking him to drop roles
A drops roles
R has to process application again

What we need

A applies
CCP says NO, you got roles dumby, get rid of them if you want to apply somewhere
R drinks mojito on the beach because he only has to worry about applications that he can really process

Thanks for your time
Seven Seas
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#46 - 2014-12-02 12:21:53 UTC
can you invite and accept while in space ?
Lilly The Pink
Doomheim
#47 - 2014-12-02 13:57:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly The Pink
Absolutely no reason for this change. For the sake of trying to eliminate one extra click you are opening a pandora's box for new ways of griefing. How about people who might just spam local with corp invites hoping that somebody accepts and then is available to be ganked by his new 'corp mates'?
Dusenman
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-12-02 14:42:13 UTC
I see no need for this change. But if your set on implementing it please have an opt in at the corporation level (Directors or CEO only). This way should a corporation want to use this method they first need to enable it.

Also please have an opt out at the player level. I personally do not want random invites.

Another idea, can this be limited to pilots under a specific time period? Say the first 90 days or something like that.

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Carebears on Fire
Viral Society
#49 - 2014-12-02 14:50:37 UTC
I am going to have to add my Nay vote on this one, at least not without some tweaking.

Allowing players to accept corp invites while in space is a non-starter for a large portion of the community, and it was removed from the normal mechanics for a reason. If you want to make this change (and I don't think it's necessarily bad), then it needs to conform to the current mechanics.

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Ruune en Gravonere
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
#50 - 2014-12-02 16:04:26 UTC
As a recruiting Corp who really tries hard to only mail very new to Eve pilots (and our apologies if we send to an established player who's just created an alt or new account) this change would not help us in any way and if it increases spam and everyone starts blocking mail that would hurt recruitment not assist it.

I would much rather see a more dynamic and searchable way for new pilots to find Corporation to join, there is a huge difference between a Corp that is 'new bro friendly' and a Corp that will actively train new pilots.

I know people talk about spam mail but the truth is its one way that training Corps can try to reach pilots who may still not know where to look and who may want to compare one with another. And its a good way to open a dialogue with a prospective pilot.

As has been said I don't see any need to change the current system to one of pro-active inviting. We all need to do background checks, we all want to 'meet' our prospective members to make sure we're the right Corp for them and they'll fit in with us. So we wouldn't be sending out random invites anyway.

What would be much more helpful is a complete overhaul of the in game Corp role and title management system which seems to need a degree in tautology to be able to use it and this includes recruitment and screening roles.

So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make?
Nitris Denitrace
WeebFleet
Tsundere Triad
#51 - 2014-12-02 17:28:48 UTC
Ruune en Gravonere wrote:

As has been said I don't see any need to change the current system to one of pro-active inviting. We all need to do background checks, we all want to 'meet' our prospective members to make sure we're the right Corp for them and they'll fit in with us. So we wouldn't be sending out random invites anyway.

What would be much more helpful is a complete overhaul of the in game Corp role and title management system which seems to need a degree in tautology to be able to use it and this includes recruitment and screening roles.

So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make?


Oh my god, so much this.
CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2014-12-02 17:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Lebowski
Hi all,

Thanks for all the feedback so far, its much appreciated. We're obviously concerned about ways this can be abused and we're working on some ideas to mitigate the concerns that have been raised so far. Nothing to share yet, but I just wanted to drop by and let you all know we working on it.

Thanks again

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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2014-12-02 17:53:02 UTC
Arkon Olacar wrote:
This seems completely unnecessary


Coming from the alliance that is already gearing up to put characters in all starter systems to invite every new character created. Just sayin' that seems a little hippocritical.
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2014-12-02 17:58:22 UTC
Eva Peacemaker wrote:
Hi, I'm a recruiter for BNI and sometimes applications can be a real pain.
I'd really like a change in how people can apply when they have roles.

Currently:
A is in a corp and has roles
R is a recruiter for a corp

A applies
R does all the work to know if the recruit is suitable
R accepts application
CCP says you can't invite the guy
R sends mail to the guy asking him to drop roles
A drops roles
R has to process application again

What we need

A applies
CCP says NO, you got roles dumby, get rid of them if you want to apply somewhere
R drinks mojito on the beach because he only has to worry about applications that he can really process

Thanks for your time


This is horrible. You shouldn't need to have roles dropped to apply to a corp, this would create hassle and unneccesary bother for those of us who get our apps in before roles have dropped, so that when they have, we can be accepted. The problem is not with the system, but with your process. 1) If you need to 'process' an application all over again due to a max 24 hour delay, you're creating unnecessarily headaches for yourself. 2) Have applicants include in their application when their roles drop, or 3) Tell noobies not to apply until they have dropped roles, and wait 24 hours before processing any app. If a player cant follow such basic instructions, they belong in Test.
Grookshank
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#55 - 2014-12-02 20:44:41 UTC
CCP Lebowski wrote:
Hi all,

Thanks for all the feedback so far, its much appreciated. We're obviously concerned about ways this can be abused and we're working on some ideas to mitigate the concerns that have been raised so far. Nothing to share yet, but I just wanted to drop by and let you all know we working on it.

Thanks again

Just don't implement it would be the best solution. Hardly anyone wants it if you read the feedback.
Callic Veratar
#56 - 2014-12-02 22:17:40 UTC
Several of my corp mates were victims of the 'joining a war to insta-gank' exploit. Joining a corp while in space is asking for even more trouble (and generating more work for GMs).

The is only an acceptable change if the 'accept invite' requires being docked in all cases.
Lilly The Pink
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-12-02 22:39:49 UTC
Ruune en Gravonere wrote:

So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make?


I'd be interested in an answer to this.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#58 - 2014-12-02 23:55:41 UTC
For highsec war balance it is necessary that the 'remain docked to swap corps' remains. I wouldn't even object to a 1 minute timer on accepting corp invites.

Even though I'd abuse the hell out of any rule change that let you swap corps in flight, I don't want it added.

You really, really need to put a 1 minute cooldown timer on sending invites with this system (that's 1 minute per invite sent, even if they are to different people). I used to play World of Warcraft, and one of the really toxic things in that game was having five to ten guild invites spammed at you (mostly from different guilds) each time you ran a dungeon. CSPA is not enough of a disincentive as CSPA fees are too low, and the profit from one mission runner joining your corp is high enough to merit it.


Please note that if no 1 minute cooldown is implemented, I will be aggressively using this to scam via multiple methods that I've worked out. I will not be spamming any one individual (my goal will be to ask any individual only once, maybe twice by accident).

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Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#59 - 2014-12-03 00:02:50 UTC
Quote:
So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make?


Remember that whole "communication" thing you guys promised to work on....this is your chance to show your progress!

IF you are still bound and determined to implement this....you need to look into adding a 'warm-up' period during a war for any new members.

But please, decide to push this off and use this fancy new release schedule for the thing you said it was for...to take the time to fix things before you release them. Please do not push this out NEXT WEEK.

Yes the whole corp app/invite (with roles) system needs work...but this is not a good solution.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#60 - 2014-12-03 05:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersen Lowery
Arronicus wrote:
2) Have applicants include in their application when their roles drop, or 3) Tell noobies not to apply until they have dropped roles, and wait 24 hours before processing any app. If a player cant follow such basic instructions, they belong in Test.


Or, you know, the game could offer both of those pieces of information to both the applicant and the recruiter as part of the application process. They're kind of important.

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