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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#21 - 2014-12-02 17:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Shelle Kasings wrote:
Unless somebody has any better ideas, I've concluded that this game isn't fun to play anymore.

Since no one mentioned it and despite your attitude: Welcome back.

Try to adapt and get used to the changes. EVE is currently in a pretty good shape even though ofc there are tons of new things to get used to for you.

EVE has changed a lot over the past few years.

Remove standings and insurance.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#22 - 2014-12-02 17:30:34 UTC
Shelle Kasings wrote:
PVP requires ISK

In my experience, pvp makes ISK. Perhaps this is where you've been going wrong? Personally, I find that showing up for "roams" or "ops" is no different in spirit from showing up for a group mission run.

Consider the possibilities.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shelle Kasings
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-12-02 18:28:47 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Pardon the ignorance on my part, but is NPC behavior toward drones somehow different in missions than in anomalies? If so, how? If not, there is a certain way to make the rats stick to your ship, with about a 98% success rate (and no I'm not talking about that ******** ewar garbage).

Also, why would you dock to refit? Mobile depots are an amazing thing.

You used to be able to just drop drones in a level 4 and go afk while they cleared the room as they used to not get aggro at all, that is what OP's probelm is, he can't do that anymore. He actually has to pay attention.
Yeah, no, way to sugarcoat the problem. I NEVER afk'd missions before, and now all I do is stare at drone health bars and click drone in drone out repeat. I even understand why CCP did it, but it appears it's overdone and nothing was done on the other end to compensate.

But for the rest of you, thank you all for the helpful posts. I appreciate the feedback.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2014-12-02 18:43:48 UTC
Shelle Kasings wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Pardon the ignorance on my part, but is NPC behavior toward drones somehow different in missions than in anomalies? If so, how? If not, there is a certain way to make the rats stick to your ship, with about a 98% success rate (and no I'm not talking about that ******** ewar garbage).

Also, why would you dock to refit? Mobile depots are an amazing thing.

You used to be able to just drop drones in a level 4 and go afk while they cleared the room as they used to not get aggro at all, that is what OP's probelm is, he can't do that anymore. He actually has to pay attention.
Yeah, no, way to sugarcoat the problem. I NEVER afk'd missions before, and now all I do is stare at drone health bars and click drone in drone out repeat. I even understand why CCP did it, but it appears it's overdone and nothing was done on the other end to compensate.

But for the rest of you, thank you all for the helpful posts. I appreciate the feedback.


Take an Ishtar (one or 2 deadspace medium reps - depending on the mission or site), drop sentries, orbit them close and with AB on, eventually fit remote repair for drones - kill large ships first - then take care about the small ones with medium or small drones.
There will still be a sufficient amount of micro management required but I did not find a lvl 4 or a 6/10 to 7/10 where that did not work.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#25 - 2014-12-02 18:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Shelle Kasings wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Quick solution: Do something else, or play something else.

Alternatively: Embrace the fact that things change and adapt.


Advice: Don't be a filthy casual.

If I'm going to pay money to CCP, I pretty much can be whatever I want. The problem is, nothing is appealing anymore.

I suspect you didn't expend much effort putting together that reply.

Perhaps you should actually follow the link he provided, or did you not put much effort into your reply either?

Also, yes you can be whatever you want, however that has absolutely nothing to do with your paying a subscription fee to be here.

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#26 - 2014-12-02 18:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Agondray
Equinnox Dethahal wrote:
I mean even wow players know to diversify their possible game situations. Nerfs happen, both with characters and content. Thing is, with a game like this, theres so much damn content, so many possibilities....id think you would have to try very hard to specialize so narrow and enjoy only one certain activity in this game....as to be upset with a change to the point with thinking you've wasted time....

and how do you waste time in a game where enjoyment was had during that time? You are quite literally paying for time enjoyed in a game that is pay to play.


With wow it takes a month before you are maxed and have the best gear, followed by they can respec and also have duel spec so they can switch skills whenever they want

In eve if you don't plan you was mass amounts of time, it took me almost 3 years to solo a lvl 4 now I can train a new character to do them slowly in less then 4 months. If you train the wrong skill that's time that's wasted when you need it but may be needed later.
In eve you dont get to pick different skills nor you you get a 2nd skill set to switch to at will

I found lvl 4s easier attacking from range, then they increased the ew abilities of rats and it slowed me down a bit, I invested in a marauder and now Long range hits and ew immunity is a great

After wasting time looting my alt went offline due to the more recent reprocessing Nerf, tactics will be adapted.
All will be brought inline
The idk must flow.

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Ashlar Maidstone
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#27 - 2014-12-02 19:19:06 UTC
@ Shelle Casings, I agree with you whole heartedly, I hardly ever log in anymore because the appeal of Eve has lost it's luster with me as well,unless something really game changing comes along then my account will go dormant in Jan.2015.

Best of luck to you as well. 07
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2014-12-02 19:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Shelle Kasings wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from posting Troll bait. ISD Ezwal.

I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all.

I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc.

My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions.


I don't know how you're running missions, but you're doing it wrong. I run in an Armageddon and have no issues with having to shuffle drones in L4 missions. Most crap dies before it ever gets into range.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#29 - 2014-12-02 19:21:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Shelle Kasings wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from posting Troll bait. ISD Ezwal.

I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all.

I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc.

My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions.

It's ironic, really, because back when I played, everybody started Caldari Achura because it had a SP advantage. Then CCP supposedly leveled the playing field. But the drone aggro unleveled it again. Missiles/torps are king again. Just switch ammo types while fighting. I guess I should have trained caldari in the first place, yes?

I wish CCP would let people reroll their skills in the first 3 months - I am so annoyed because I just don't have the time for these 3 hour missions and I don't have the time to log in to a corp every day and go on 4 hour ops.

Mining is boring, PVP requires ISK, flipping in Jita is boring and pointless, and exploration is a waste. I explored for three weeks in lowsec and found nothing but data sites with 3m max in them.

Unless somebody has any better ideas, I've concluded that this game isn't fun to play anymore.


What ship and drones are you using? When I'm missioning with sentry Domis, it's unusual that I have to recall more than 1-2 sentries per mission.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#30 - 2014-12-02 19:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Leoric Firesword wrote:
Shelle Kasings wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from posting Troll bait. ISD Ezwal.

I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all.

I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc.

My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions.


I don't know how you're running missions, but you're doing it wrong. I run in an Armageddon and have no issues with having to shuffle drones in L4 missions. Most crap dies before it ever gets into range.




With a portrait like that, you should have had a name like "The Inquisitor" or something. BTW how do you shuffle drones when apparently you can't see anything? :-P

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Niskin
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#31 - 2014-12-02 20:00:23 UTC
It's worse when you are solo, the aggroing of drones that is. When new waves spawn it can happen and once the rats get your drone on their target list it stays there. You can pull in the drone and as soon as you let it back out it's immediately targeted by the same rats again. That's been my experience in a Dominix after the changes and it's why I stopped missioning in that hull.

Some people seem to have found ways to prevent the initial aggro which manages most of the problem. The MJD solution sounds interesting, might have to try that sometime since I still have that Domi laying around.

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#32 - 2014-12-02 20:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Shelle Kasings wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from posting Troll bait. ISD Ezwal.


Exploration is a waste. I explored for three weeks in lowsec and found nothing but data sites with 3m max in them.



You're doing it wrong. Or you're the unluckiest player alive.
Kestrix
The Whispering
#33 - 2014-12-02 20:12:09 UTC
I use drones with my Rattlesnake to do level 4 missions and find them very effective. I use a target painter to get aggro then let my drones out to play. Occasionally the NPC's will target one of my drones but I have not lost one in a very long time, just return the targeted drone and re-launch.

If you are in a Domi I found that remote repping my sentry drones meant that I didn't really need to activate my tank just let your sentrys get aggro and rep the one that cops all the aggro, if you can't keep up with the DPS scoop up the drone and re-deploy, the NPC's will target another sentry and away we go again.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#34 - 2014-12-02 20:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Shelle Kasings wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from posting Troll bait. ISD Ezwal.

I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all.

I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc.

My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions.

It's ironic, really, because back when I played, everybody started Caldari Achura because it had a SP advantage. Then CCP supposedly leveled the playing field. But the drone aggro unleveled it again. Missiles/torps are king again. Just switch ammo types while fighting. I guess I should have trained caldari in the first place, yes?

I wish CCP would let people reroll their skills in the first 3 months - I am so annoyed because I just don't have the time for these 3 hour missions and I don't have the time to log in to a corp every day and go on 4 hour ops.

Mining is boring, PVP requires ISK, flipping in Jita is boring and pointless, and exploration is a waste. I explored for three weeks in lowsec and found nothing but data sites with 3m max in them.

Unless somebody has any better ideas, I've concluded that this game isn't fun to play anymore.


With an attitude like yours the only conclusion is that you indeed wasted your time.
Saji'us
Magnetar Dynamics
#35 - 2014-12-02 20:47:56 UTC
Agondray wrote:
it took me almost 3 years to solo a lvl 4


oh... oh dear god.
Paranoid Loyd
#36 - 2014-12-02 20:48:56 UTC
Saji'us wrote:
Agondray wrote:
it took me almost 3 years to solo a lvl 4


oh... oh dear god.
Lol

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Fix the Prospect!
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#37 - 2014-12-02 21:02:11 UTC
Wait..

Didn't the drone agro changes happen a while ago?

*checks date of post*

Op spent the last couple of months training for drones...

Op just now realizes.. that.. rats.. aggro.. drones...

Do.. I even really need to say anything? I mean.. I want to.. but OP asks that I not say anything about returning to another game which he/she may like better.. but.. op makes a good argument.. for a button in the esc menu.. that allows them to do just that..

Im very conflicted at the moment.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-12-02 21:03:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Leoric Firesword wrote:
Shelle Kasings wrote:
*Snip* Please refrain from posting Troll bait. ISD Ezwal.

I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all.

I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc.

My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions.


I don't know how you're running missions, but you're doing it wrong. I run in an Armageddon and have no issues with having to shuffle drones in L4 missions. Most crap dies before it ever gets into range.




With a portrait like that, you should have had a name like "The Inquisitor" or something. BTW how do you shuffle drones when apparently you can't see anything? :-P


shuffling isn't hard, it's juggling that's a pain
Leoric Firesword
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-12-02 21:07:12 UTC
Shelle Kasings wrote:

I explored for three weeks in lowsec and found nothing but data sites with 3m max in them.


If you mean you're just going after data/relic sites, then find a less traveled section of lowsec. If you're also doing combat sites, the RNG must hate you almost as much as it used to hate me (went 6 months only seeing 2 faction commanders and 0 drops doing ~15 sites a night)
Serene Repose
#40 - 2014-12-02 22:52:44 UTC
Ya ya. Anybody drone heavy had to have a twinge of no-risk here guilt. Making them expendable like ammo, instead of invulnerable like an immortal mini-space fleet adds work to what was normally a set them on aggro, go make a sandwich game. I still use them. I had to rethink how I used them. But, hey. If you're Caldari with a missile boat using drones and hitting from 100k away, what else are you going to do while you mission, read the forum?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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