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[Rhea] The Confessor (T3 Destroyer #1)

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Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#121 - 2014-12-02 16:46:07 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
(actually failed to scan down a site, and anybody with eccm will be impossible to probe out with this combat prober, even with midslot scanning mods.


I believe all sites currently on TQ are scannable with a right skill set from an unbonused hull and without scanning mods and implans (with a sister launcher and probes though).
At least I have no problems scanning down combat ladars with an ishtar and rangefinding at 4, and they should be 1,25% band.

As for the unbonused combat probes, I don't think you are supposed to catch slippery petes with that thing, and they are, as the ship class suggests, more of a tactical option to catch enemies MWDing around grid (thus you are dropping probes in a known position), not a way to seek and destroy unprobable tengus blitzing missions in low and null.

According to my calculations, an unbonused sister launcher with sister probles should be able to scan down targets with signature/sensor strength greater than 3. For example, a linked 2LSE 2 field extender ishtar with MWD off has sig/str of about 4.5. A scimi without MWD should be from 3.2 (1 LSE) to 3.8 (2 LSE) if it has sebo instead of ECCM. With ECCM it becomes unprobable (with MWD off, again). AB armor logis are typically unprobable too.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#122 - 2014-12-02 17:01:57 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Mode buttons don't display if you board a Confessor in space.

I didn't check stats to see if any of the modes were active, however.


When did you experience this? It was a known issue previously but we thought we had it fixed in the current build.

Sometime last night.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#123 - 2014-12-02 17:15:13 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Sorry Andreus Ixiris, but nobody is "entitled" to always receive their preferred faction's ships at the same time as everyone else.

We plan to use this method of release more and more in the future because:

a) It allows us to release content to all you players faster with the help of the new release cycle.
b) It gives players an opportunity to have a small but meaningful impact on the world of New Eden through their participation in events.
c) Far more players have expressed support for this method than have expressed opposition.

So in the future if you want access to your favourite faction's ships right away I advise you to participate and help your people win.


Fozzie, winning the forum wars. I,too, support letting the players have more effect on the lore and game universe; reintroducing consequences for player actions, or lack thereof.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#124 - 2014-12-02 17:43:48 UTC
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
(actually failed to scan down a site, and anybody with eccm will be impossible to probe out with this combat prober, even with midslot scanning mods.


I believe all sites currently on TQ are scannable with a right skill set from an unbonused hull and without scanning mods and implans (with a sister launcher and probes though).
At least I have no problems scanning down combat ladars with an ishtar and rangefinding at 4, and they should be 1,25% band.

As for the unbonused combat probes, I don't think you are supposed to catch slippery petes with that thing, and they are, as the ship class suggests, more of a tactical option to catch enemies MWDing around grid (thus you are dropping probes in a known position), not a way to seek and destroy unprobable tengus blitzing missions in low and null.

According to my calculations, an unbonused sister launcher with sister probles should be able to scan down targets with signature/sensor strength greater than 3. For example, a linked 2LSE 2 field extender ishtar with MWD off has sig/str of about 4.5. A scimi without MWD should be from 3.2 (1 LSE) to 3.8 (2 LSE) if it has sebo instead of ECCM. With ECCM it becomes unprobable (with MWD off, again). AB armor logis are typically unprobable too.



You know instead of me screaming "bonus the ship" could we do some tests on it. I want to figure out just how difficult it would be to probe out some of these frigates in both thera and kspace in this boat. Without implants.

Nothing's unprobeable, but what you would need to probe some of this stuff isn't practical. This is nothing against dedicated probers, just more curious about unboused combat fit probing ships.


I'll try and test this with sole mobile depots and some abandoned frigates the next two days. Yea I could run the numbers but sometimes actual application matters more than statistical potential. If I'm wrong and I can wis around probing out frigates in these new frig holes, fantastic.

Yaay!!!!

CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
#125 - 2014-12-02 18:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed a reply to deleted posts. ISD Ezwal.

Primary This Rifter wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Mode buttons don't display if you board a Confessor in space.

I didn't check stats to see if any of the modes were active, however.


When did you experience this? It was a known issue previously but we thought we had it fixed in the current build.

Sometime last night.
If you could submit a bug report with the specifics of this that would be great! I.e Where did the confessor you boarded come from? Was it assembled in a station or POS? Was this the first time you had boarded a confessor?

CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0

@CCP_Lebowski

Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#126 - 2014-12-02 19:06:48 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Torgeir Hekard wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
(actually failed to scan down a site, and anybody with eccm will be impossible to probe out with this combat prober, even with midslot scanning mods.


I believe all sites currently on TQ are scannable with a right skill set from an unbonused hull and without scanning mods and implans (with a sister launcher and probes though).
At least I have no problems scanning down combat ladars with an ishtar and rangefinding at 4, and they should be 1,25% band.

As for the unbonused combat probes, I don't think you are supposed to catch slippery petes with that thing, and they are, as the ship class suggests, more of a tactical option to catch enemies MWDing around grid (thus you are dropping probes in a known position), not a way to seek and destroy unprobable tengus blitzing missions in low and null.

According to my calculations, an unbonused sister launcher with sister probles should be able to scan down targets with signature/sensor strength greater than 3. For example, a linked 2LSE 2 field extender ishtar with MWD off has sig/str of about 4.5. A scimi without MWD should be from 3.2 (1 LSE) to 3.8 (2 LSE) if it has sebo instead of ECCM. With ECCM it becomes unprobable (with MWD off, again). AB armor logis are typically unprobable too.



You know instead of me screaming "bonus the ship" could we do some tests on it. I want to figure out just how difficult it would be to probe out some of these frigates in both thera and kspace in this boat. Without implants.

Nothing's unprobeable, but what you would need to probe some of this stuff isn't practical. This is nothing against dedicated probers, just more curious about unboused combat fit probing ships.


I'll try and test this with sole mobile depots and some abandoned frigates the next two days. Yea I could run the numbers but sometimes actual application matters more than statistical potential. If I'm wrong and I can wis around probing out frigates in these new frig holes, fantastic.




A quick question do un piloted ship still effected my passive mods? Say large shield extenders and stuff like that or are all mods not considered till someone boards the ship. I'm trying out the probing myself and finding it hard but not impossible yet. Will do it on another toon who doesn't have the best of skills and see what i get (this toon is 5/5 on all scan skills and was using the t2 scan eqipment)
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#127 - 2014-12-02 19:08:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed reply a to a deleted post. ISD Ezwal.

Ultimately, CCP's experimenting with a new means for players to have a short-term impact on meta balance in EVE, and I honestly applaud them for doing something other than the usual, 'Everyone Develops The Same Thing At Once," that we've seen before. Further, considering that CCP's art gurus are busy with PBR, UI modernization, and various other things, if CCP were to do a four-faction release, we'd probably not see these dessies for a release or more likely two anyway. This is likely why Fozzie indicated that this method allows CCP to release ships more quickly: because they can more easily slot one ship's concepting, modelling, etc, in with other major projects than they can slot four ships in.

So. Honestly, as said, I think this is pretty nifty.

And, knowing that CCP is doing this sort of thing, perhaps you'll be more engaged when the next research race-style event occurs?

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#128 - 2014-12-02 19:13:15 UTC
Are the skill books for the other races t3 dessy going live the same time as the amarr one and the amarr ship? can I start getting ready for the others early in terms of training or are they only released with the ship?
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
#129 - 2014-12-02 19:16:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Torgeir Hekard
Phoenix Jones wrote:

I'll try and test this with sole mobile depots and some abandoned frigates the next two days. Yea I could run the numbers but sometimes actual application matters more than statistical potential. If I'm wrong and I can wis around probing out frigates in these new frig holes, fantastic.

Well, considering frigs in holes would most likely be AFs, you'll have a VERY hard time pinning them down unless they are MWDing, because they have very good native sensor strength.
With good skills (and I'd suggest AR-8XX series implants which are a poor man's virtue) you'd probably be barely able to probe down a retribution or a wolf. Or an enyo. Possibly passive shield fitted frigs.

I could try running tests myself tomorrow substituting confessor with any other unbonused hull (my best scanner character can't into dessies), but I can only fly minmatar AFs (unless there's a very recent mirror).

PS: as for depots, standarts light up on scanner like christmas trees. Factions need at least a bonused hull. Yurt would probably requiere implants on top of that. Didn't try it. But wetu was pretty hard, and I had to use a bonused ship to find it, and yurt should be even harder.

PPS: unprobable as in unprobable by a particular ship/fit. A confessor in this case. It obviously has a cap for things it can probe down. Thus, anything above is unprobable. For a confessor.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#130 - 2014-12-02 20:05:39 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2014-12-02 21:14:51 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
-T3 ships supposed too have T1 resists .. CCP said they would take this approach at the start of tiercide
- also mentioned not making new T3 ships untill you fixed the current broken ones..

So sick and tired of seeing you post this.

Lets take a good look at the Proteus subs that give it the insane amount of buffer that it is know for.

Augmented Plating
Gives +10% Armor HP per level
T2 Resists
3650 Armor HP before skills on a Cruiser, that a good 50% more than a standard Gallente cruiser would get.

Power Core Multiplier
+5% Power Grid per level
1165 MW of powergrid will skills at 5 that is 1820 MW of powergrid, again that is an insane amount of powergrid for a cruiser.

All that is coupled with the fact the Proteus can get 7 low slots,

but T2 resists are clearly the problem.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#132 - 2014-12-02 22:51:43 UTC
Decided to try the combat probing in this hull. I can say that it doesn't need the scan bonus for scanning out frigates and above, but you do need some good scan skills.

Threw out a Dominix, a kestrel, and three different types of depots (basic, wetu, yurt)

Dominix lit up as I expected. The kestrel I had to go down to 1 au to pinpoint it (but I think I could have gotten that above 1 au). Mobile depot showed up. Yurt and Wetu were unprobable. I am assuming that any frigate with ECCM will also be unprobable.

As much as I would scream "OMG Unprobable!!", not many frigates and destroyers use them over other mods. Guess it doesn't need the scan bonus. The mobile depots will be annoying in the frigate shattered wormholes.

Some reference videos to the brief test.

(probe test one) http://youtu.be/P4QNdYp0Cbo

(probe test two) http://youtu.be/P4QNdYp0Cbo

(probe test three) http://youtu.be/xZNjpaXMUVA

Yaay!!!!

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#133 - 2014-12-02 23:09:40 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Decided to try the combat probing in this hull.


I'm inclined to agree, it's fine,
given its capabilities whilst being able to fit the dam things it's entirely reasonable that it's not actually great at probing and has limitations.
iwannadig
Doomheim
#134 - 2014-12-18 10:54:17 UTC
As Test server bug reports are ignored, I'll write here - please seed test market with Small Hull Sections.
You can now simply buy assembled ship for 100ISK, but I want to test Confessor production.
Jeziah Shayle
Sol Research and Development
#135 - 2014-12-19 18:53:36 UTC
I'm having the disappearing mode button problem as well.

Boarded from a POS. Not the first time, it worked fine last night.

I have tried restarting the client, changing ships etc.

Mode switch still works through the fitting screen though.

Cheers,
Good job with the ship btw :)