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In regards to the comments on making clones player created, and looking at how attributes and implants work. We are definitely looking at those kinds of things and we'll see where they go. We will be looking at removing unnecessary complexity, while keeping or adding to the depth of the mechanics.

This change is better than the previous system, but I still think that simply sending a pilot a medical bill when podded (with a modal, unavoidable pop-up window upon respawn) based on the applicable SP of the ships he/she flew from the last time he/she was in a station with medical facilities would have been a better choice. You were in a supercap and then got podded? Expensive. You were in a T1 frig and then got podded? Cheap!

Doesnt remove isk from the game - rather pvp just shuffles it around.

By allowing more isk to remain in the game there should be further isk inflation making everything more expensive.

Well before throwing out supposedly "dumb" mechanics which have been a pillar of eve for over ten years, perhaps an alternative should be implemented instead of this knee jerk and equally idiotic stance of lets just throw everything out that makes eve harsh.

What you consider random and vicious, is actually quite easy to avoid, it is only random if you don't know what you are doing as in the case of newbies who soon learn.

As for standing they have already implemented a safety net so you can grind your standing back up from below -2, and if you have completely wrecked them and then want to work with an opposing faction, well tough luck, either grind them back up from level 1 agents or HTFU and stick with your current factions that you have good standings with.

There is nothing random about any of the penalties you mentioned, and all can be easily avoided.

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... The Current Medical Clone System - I recognized it after I lost 2 Clones, so I wasted some skillpoints ...
... New players can be badly surprised by this system since they have so many other important things to learn. ...

... and I want to say the following: This is the reason because I love the game. As it (not so much as years before) still punishes ignorance.

If I lose a 150 Mill. Skillpoint Clone, that is MY problem. If I can't afford an adequate clone, it is, already, MY problem. Because this is the reason I'm here. I find that the current clone system is in between pampered pet and die hard. If there is a good reason to improve the clone system, go ahead. But you should take into consideration that nearly anybody who survived the first year and is still playing EVE Online has the resources to buy a new skillclone or to upgrade the old one.
I'm in doubt that this improvement will motivate veterans to become podded in cheap ships more often.

Just my 5 ISK.

If it was debated then, by definition, it was not ignored.

What you miss, is I didn't say the mechanics cannot be improved upon. I'm in favour of replacing the medical clone mechanic with something better as at the moment it is pretty terrible. Improving mechanics does not mean you need to completely throw them out though as the posters had been suggesting in the quotes I linked.

So standing penalites are harsh, answer = lets scrap standings.
Medical clone mechanic doesn't offer interesting choices = lets scrap medical clones.
I don't like losing implants when podded = lets remove attributes so everyone is on a level playing field.

That mentality is completely wrong for the game which is what I stated, and there are already plenty of other games for players who think like this.

The problem with this is that you're conflating completely unrelated things. You're imagining a slippery slope that simply does not exist.

To expand on what Querms is saying:

Unlike medical clone purchases, there are meaningful choices to be made with both standings and implants. In the one case, you can make large areas of the map unaccessible, or get worse market rates on buy and sell orders. In the second case, the correct implants can make a massive difference in your performance in the game, and so choosing the correct ones (since some are conflicting choices in a single clone) becomes a decision making process with meaningful tradeoffs (do I get more direct DPS, or a higher rate of fire. If I get the higher rate of fire, do I need more capacitor to compensate...).

Upgrading your medical clone had none of these. There was no decision - you simply did it because the alternative was too unpalatable to accept.



The point being that, in this case, there is no reason to wait for the new mechanic before removing the old one becuse the old one has no net benefit to anyone.

You're not the only one making this mistake, is what I am saying.