EVE General Discussion

Even following this change you still won't be able to compete. The other non-banned features of ISBoxer are easily powerful enough to crush a non-isboxer user. Take for example VideoFX - this allows you to place segments of another EVE window into a single window (like this}. With this, an isboxer can put all of his module controls in a neat little block. No alt tabbing or broadcasting required.

If you ever watch someone efficiently isboxing miners on a mid scale (not he 100+, more like 20-30), they'll usually only broadcast up until they start mining. Following that they'll usually deal with individual miners modules, then broadcast drag the ore to the orca, then drag it to the hauler.

After the change, they can still log in broadcasting, they then round robin the undock, fleet warp to location, then just use the VideoFX panels to target an start lasers on each client and move cargo individually. It really is minimal extra effort because mining mechanics require so little input.

Depends on the PvP. In "normal" PvP isboxers die too. They only benefit in ganks and bombing runs, which can be done without isboxer relatively easily.

No, they aren't. They will still have a massive advantage.

you can set it up in other ways than using the Isboxer (like video fx kinda, or stacked) It also have a lot to do With what People prefer.
There're free options for screen setup. Personally i like isboxer.

Yeah, I like the CPU and FPS restrictions in isboxer. Lowers the amount of impact running extra clients has. The rapid screen swapping (I don't need to alt tab, have 2 global hotkeys which cycle back and forth through windows) and Video FX to dxNothing bit is pretty cool too. Amusingly, following this announcement I've resubbed isboxer and played around to get a decent no broadcast setup.

So reading the Dev Blog and some of the 44pages of posts, I've probably missed one that is talking about what I'm going to write below.

If any FC Fleet warps a Fleet, they can be Banned for this as it is Navigating multiple ships through space. So how are they going to not return false positives as some Boxers have more than one squad of characters?

Erm.. by reading game logs, which they can do....

Fleet warped -> reason: FC clicked warped fleet button in game, nothing to see here, move along

Fleet warped -> reason: Ships warped themselves x 10 at same time... hmm lets look at this toon a bit more for next few minutes to see if this happens often, if yes banhammer, if not then its coincidence.

Lies!

We all know the logs show nothing,

You say that Steve, but someone with 4 clients tiled on their desktop can hit a button on each very quickly. Isboxer broadcasting with a slight delay between clients would look no different. There has to be a threshold and some are worried about that.

I hear what you're saying and understand the concept of Vfx/clickthroughs, although I'm not sure if this would be classed as broadcasting or not.

Either way, it won't make much difference to me. As I mentioned in my post, some of us don't have the manual dexterity to control numerous clients without key/mouse broadcasts (I know it would be a struggle for me to manage my mini mining fleet without).

From a personal viewpoint, I get the impression that philosophies within CCP are shifting and I don't particularly want to invest hundreds of pounds a year subbing accounts to then have something that should be fun turn into something that becomes an unnecessary struggle with dexterity.. if you get what I mean.

I'd rather streamline my accounts down to a level I can physically manage without the aid of broadcasting and maybe try doing something other than mining.

It is disappointing to not be able to do what I enjoy and want and also disappointing that CCP seemed not to take into account that some of it's subcribers might suffer from medical conditions before deciding to implement this change, but at the end of the day CCP own Eve and we just pay for access.

Who knows? I might be able to carve myself a different little niche within the game that I might enjoy?

Anyhoo, thanks for trying to give me a heads up. ;)

As far as I am aware, they don't transmit the spot that is clicked, only the action. And yes, "sometimes" people miss and such, but it will also be pretty common for people to run it like clockwork. Without isboxer I've been playing long enough for everything to pretty much be automatic.

In this instance, yes, but when you say "It's been brought up by people, who are being more than a touch disingenuous.", I imagine since I've not seen anyone else raise up fleet warp as an issue you are talking about the people suggesting that false positives will occur, which is a legitimate concern, especially considering CCPs response (or lack thereof) to people who petition after being banned in error.

Meh, CODE just formalized what was already prevalent in the game and gave it an immersive backstory. They're like yammering puppies - annoying, but easy to avoid if you pay attention.