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Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#1 - 2014-12-02 02:10:02 UTC
Railguns have consistently gotten nerfed in and since odyssey. Large rails I will use a megathron as an example. My ratting mega can miss with a midslot tracking computer and a low slot tracking computer combined with the ships tracking bonus. How does a ship miss another battleship in its optimal with all skills at maximum? This is not ok. Galentee has taken some big nerf hits from CCP on drones too. They took away my rails and drones. All I have left is my bag of rocks. The story is the same for the ships with small and mediums too.

Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#2 - 2014-12-02 02:11:37 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.


Since when do target painters not work with railguns?

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#3 - 2014-12-02 02:13:06 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.


Since when do target painters not work with railguns?

Since always?
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-12-02 02:13:49 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Railguns have consistently gotten nerfed in and since odyssey. Large rails I will use a megathron as an example. My ratting mega can miss with a midslot tracking computer and a low slot tracking computer combined with the ships tracking bonus. How does a ship miss another battleship in its optimal with all skills at maximum? This is not ok. Galentee has taken some big nerf hits from CCP on drones too. They took away my rails and drones. All I have left is my bag of rocks. The story is the same for the ships with small and mediums too.

Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.



Oh god, run for the hills. It's either a magnificent troll, or someone truly ignorant of the current weapon balance.

Tip: Rail Tengu fleets... Rail Proteus fleets, Rail Megathron fleets, Rail Hypherion fleets....

Rails are actually the most powerful weapon system atm overall. Rails and drones are by far the most used medium and large class weapon types as well in large scale PvP.

There will be no buffs. There will probably be some more nerfs tbh, much as I dislike that.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2014-12-02 02:25:42 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Railguns already have the disadvantage of not being able to change damage types or use external tracking(target painters). As far as I am concerned CCP has nerfed us right out of the same.


Since when do target painters not work with railguns?

Since always?


Do you actually know what a target painter does, or how damage application in this game works, at all?
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-12-02 02:50:29 UTC
So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#7 - 2014-12-02 02:54:23 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?

Having participated in, now, all 3 of those threads, even I am starting to wonder when we're going to see a thread about underpowered drones. Or the optimal on blasters is too short to make them any good.
I will say though, that I think the missile and AC threads both have merit. It is getting a little silly though.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2014-12-02 04:14:41 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?

Your mom.

:3

How did you Veterans start?
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#9 - 2014-12-02 04:33:59 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?

Having participated in, now, all 3 of those threads, even I am starting to wonder when we're going to see a thread about underpowered drones. Or the optimal on blasters is too short to make them any good.
I will say though, that I think the missile and AC threads both have merit. It is getting a little silly though.


I will now chip in with a request for 'Moar Blaster Optimal Range,' since they are obviously in dire need of enhancement.

Seriously, I'm primarily a Gallente pilot, and, while I think 425's could maybe use a SLIGHT tracking buff, Railguns are in a pretty good place right now. In particular, medium railguns are, if anything, in need of a (very) small DPS nerf, with possibly that slight tracking buff I mentioned tossed into the mix, but it's not mandatory.

As a suggestion, consider, using medium Gallente weapons as the baseline, and other weapon systems and sizes be adjusted relative to them, given the advantages and disadvantages each inherently possesses.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#10 - 2014-12-02 04:54:15 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?

I like medium drones...
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#11 - 2014-12-02 04:56:29 UTC
Meyr wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?

Having participated in, now, all 3 of those threads, even I am starting to wonder when we're going to see a thread about underpowered drones. Or the optimal on blasters is too short to make them any good.
I will say though, that I think the missile and AC threads both have merit. It is getting a little silly though.


I will now chip in with a request for 'Moar Blaster Optimal Range,' since they are obviously in dire need of enhancement.

Seriously, I'm primarily a Gallente pilot, and, while I think 425's could maybe use a SLIGHT tracking buff, Railguns are in a pretty good place right now. In particular, medium railguns are, if anything, in need of a (very) small DPS nerf, with possibly that slight tracking buff I mentioned tossed into the mix, but it's not mandatory.

As a suggestion, consider, using medium Gallente weapons as the baseline, and other weapon systems and sizes be adjusted relative to them, given the advantages and disadvantages each inherently possesses.

On the mediums I would be willing to give up a smidge of damage for a tracking increase. What's the point if you cant put the DPS on target.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2014-12-02 05:36:06 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?

I havent seen a smartbomb thread in a while. If we're not careful they might become OP.
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#13 - 2014-12-02 05:40:22 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
So, we've gotten threads for missiles, projectiles, and now rails. Besides sentries, is there any weapon system that is not the worst right now?

I havent seen a smartbomb thread in a while. If we're not careful they might become OP.

They really do need some help though...
Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#14 - 2014-12-02 05:40:35 UTC
i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets

watch me be a scurb and get owned
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#15 - 2014-12-02 05:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Brigadine Ferathine
Viribus wrote:
i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets

They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description.
Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#16 - 2014-12-02 05:48:05 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Viribus wrote:
i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets

They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description.


boy are you going to be embarrassed when you find out what signature resolution is

watch me be a scurb and get owned
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-12-02 05:48:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Viribus wrote:
i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets

They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description.


They help all turrets.

Target sig vs Weapon sig, Distance to target vs optimal/falloff, and transversal speed vs Tracking. Every single turret uses these three bits in determining if they hit and for how much.

Those TPs fit under the Target sig part. And it is taken into account for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON SYSTEM (except smartbombs)
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#18 - 2014-12-02 05:54:28 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:
Viribus wrote:
i can't say i have much faith in the ideas of someone who doesn't know that target painters help turrets

They don't help all turrets. Hence why tracking computers and links are so important. Read the railgun description.


They help all turrets.

Target sig vs Weapon sig, Distance to target vs optimal/falloff, and transversal speed. Every single turret uses these three bits in determining if they hit and for how much.

Those TPs fit under the Target sig part. And it is taken into account for EVERY SINGLE WEAPON SYSTEM (except smartbombs)

Railguns arnt affected by target painters.
Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#19 - 2014-12-02 05:57:17 UTC
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Railguns arnt affected by target painters.


i've never seen someone more wrong

and i saw someone say that HMLs were good and ishtars were balanced

watch me be a scurb and get owned
Brigadine Ferathine
Presumed Dead Enterprises
Against ALL Authorities.
#20 - 2014-12-02 05:59:24 UTC
Viribus wrote:
Brigadine Ferathine wrote:

Railguns arnt affected by target painters.


i've never seen someone more wrong

and i saw someone say that HMLs were good and ishtars were balanced

Dude a higher target sig radius doesn't increase damage like with missiles.
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