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I don't care. Release them when they're all ready, or don't release them at all. That's the only fair way of releasing shiptypes that have racial variants.


Or I can continue to criticise an inexcusably poor decision on CCP's part. Which I will, because I don't take orders from random people on a forum.

Hey, it's been shown time and time again if people don't call out CCP's bad decisions strongly enough when it comes to the testing phase, you get serious issues down the line. Happened with Dominion, happened with Incarna, happened with the loot spew mechanic in Odyssey, and I guarantee you it'll happen again with this.

This. It was awesome getting to have an influence in an outcome that matter in eve.


Only releasing one ship at a time isn't really an issue either, its a singular small class of ship. how long where we missing the ore freighter before they introduced it?

ccp should do more of it just to get post like these.

OMG I can't wait the couple weeks till the other ships are out and eve has no other ships in the entire game. Its not as this think will be able to win every fight its a destroyer.

I liked the donation event more than live ones cause I cant make most live events in eve and the ones I have made it to where sub par if i could even get into the system it was happening in.

The donation drive was awesome in that it mixed things up and let everyone participate in it the fact they tied the release of a ship class to it is just gravy on top.

also fits with lore much better than all factions releasing the same size ships at the same time.

I'm plenty aware of EVE's lore and I agree that ships don't get released at the same time lore-wise.

While the Amarr very rarely have a new ship or any new technology before the other factions do, the Templar Project shows that sometimes they do. More usually, it plays out like this:

Caldari/Gallente develop something new, swiftly followed by the Gallente/Caldari who refuse to be outdone by their enemy. The Gallente share technology with the Minmatar or the Thukkers steal it/backroom deal it from the Caldari and it "mysteriously" ends up in Tribal Council hands, and so the Minmatar are generally third. Although they rankle at the idea that a race of slaves should have anything before they do, Amarrian society as a whole is extremely conservative and bitterly resistant to change, leaving them to generally develop new things last.

It's unfortunate that you think contests like this are terrible and "everyone is a winner, nobody loses" is the only way. It's laughable that you feel insulted by CCP's decision and I thank you for the amusement. As a paying customer myself, I can say with exactly zero trolling that I think CCP's idea to include some player participation in the introduction of new ships was splendid and ought to happen more often.

If you don't like it, I again invite you to create your own spaceship MMO where everything is completely fair for everyone (when was EVE ever fair, btw?) and nobody could ever possibly be insulted or pushed outside of their fluffy comfort zone.

If you're going to remain here in EVE, however, I strongly urge you to put on your big girl panties and HTFU. Not everyone wins, not everything is fair and being a paying customer does not make you a god, a person of influence or even a special snowflake. Get over it, get over yourself and get out of this thread.

Good day, sir.

I'm a bit surprised that you are so against it. Been a long time since lore/rp/live events had an effect on Eve as a game. Letting the community decide on the staggered release of a sleeper-related breakthrough was nice gesture of CCP. At the time of the research race it wasn't clear what it would be, only after it was revealed to be T3 destroyers.
CCP even recognized the effort a 5th player-driven group put in to pull the research towards them.

Part of the reasoning of the staggered release was that they didn't had time to finish all 4 Tech 3 destroyers for Rhea, so either they all had to wait for a later release, or let the community decide which one to go for first.

In the end, community efforts lead to the release schedule of : Amarr - Minmatar - Caldari- Gallente. All in all, a fairly balanced release schedule.
In the end, I didn't see an insult to paying customers, rather a gesture from CCP to allow us to choose who got the new tech first. Lorewise it's also neat, as now RP'ers got an additional schtick to hang on with.

They could have gone easely with *Here's spring/summmer (18 weeks wait), have new ships!* without doing anything around it. But they didn't, rather they choose an option that involved the eve community, an act I applaud them for.

The reason for this confusion is that the mode bonuses on the Confessor use a new way of authoring, storing and loading effects that we are planning to transition into more and more. The expressions you are reading for the modeAgilityPostDiv effect (and the other T3 mode effects) are junk data that aren't used by the client or server for these effects.

I'm talking to CCP Tuxford and CCP Foxfour about how we can start making these new effects visible to third party developers and we'll probably put something up in the dev communication channels once we have a plan figured out.

In the meantime feel free to ignore the expressions that you're seeing in those effects. Sorry about the confusion.

Mode buttons don't display if you board a Confessor in space.

I didn't check stats to see if any of the modes were active, however.

You may want to give that ship a bonus to probing.. Because it's pretty terrible. Asking people to commit a set of virtue implants (roughly 1.5 billion for a low grade and 2.5 for a mid grade), while flying a destroyer class ship with no cloak, no scanning bonus and worth 40 million isnt the smartest idea.


A 37.5% to a 70% (it's a combat scanning ship with no cloak) bonus to scanning would help a ton with it (tried it earlier with the mid slots filled with scanning mods and its a pain even to scan out a basic signature (actually failed to scan down a site, and anybody with eccm will be impossible to probe out with this combat prober, even with midslot scanning mods.

fozzie any response to the concerns we have expressed about the power levels of the modes/bonuses aswell as the T2 resist profile ?

-T3 ships supposed too have T1 resists .. CCP said they would take this approach at the start of tiercide
- also mentioned not making new T3 ships untill you fixed the current broken ones

- you've also made T3 cruiser/sub prices rise a lot .. they needed too go the other way at least after there nerf they will need too ..