Player Features and Ideas Discussion

DUUUUDE I REMEMBER YOU FROM MY CORP!!!

From reading the thread, this sounds like a pretty good summary.

I honestly doubt there will be much use of switching the mode of these ships in flight. 10 seconds is an eternity in small ship PvP. They're going to be fit to maximize the use of just 1 mode, and they're going to stay in that mode all the time. Should have just made faction destroyers with different bonuses.

I can see this argument for unshiny versions of it, and mediocre pvpers. the masters of solo and the blingyfolks will probably build some interesting WTFmobiles out of it that actually use multiple modes.

10 seconds is nothing. This ships can kite, so they have the time. It's not like you're a sitting duck while switching modes, the transition works instantaneous. It just has a cooldown on the next transition.

The Confessor is, base stats wise, a Coercer with stuff trimmed off, which you replace more or less, by engaging the three modes. eg, it has lower scan res base, then you can gain that scan res back and some in Sniper mode.

There's all this talk of nano Confessor being zomg. hardly. It will have just as few EHP and moderately more rep ability than a Coercer. True, your optimal with beams is going to be better than a Coercer but your DPS is 50% more.

I also see a problem with sniper mode, in that targeting range doubles (120km, more or less) but optimals with Aurora are still 64km plus a smidge of falloff. So you have a hell of a lot of range to lock people with but no way to damage them. That's a bit silly.

The other amusing thing is that your fit is locked in. So you will be fitting these things with all their PG and CPU restrictions, and have to make a choice which will flow through to your performance in all 3 modes. You will be unable to make a fit which does well at everything.

For instance, you got for a brawler fit with pulses, what's the point of sniper mode? it gives you no DPS more than the other modes, you have 120km lock range and guns which go 18km top, you do yourself out of your EHP, and you are still slow as a wet week. Go speed mode, you lose EHP, bloat your sig, your optimals still suck, you have a better GTFO ability if you aren't already scrammed.

As someone said before, i foresee that these will be brawler mode most of the time with Speed mode being good for getting off gate/wormhole and into warp, and you swap to Defensive mode just as you land. Speed mode if you land too far off.

Talwar fleets will still do awesome versus these, due to LMLs. I guess if you are unlucky, whomever is being yellowboxed could be lucky and flip into defensive mode prior to your missiles landing. But even then, the Talwar gets good damage application vs 40m sig radius, so your D3 fleet will find it pretty hard to keep up, land damage with poor tracking, and very hard to tank Talwarfleet DPS.

Sniper mode of all kinds is still less useful than your basic sniper cormy fleet anyway. We are talking about 117km sniper cormy DPS versus a D3 fleet which can only hit out to 65km. Cormy still will remain king of the hill unless the Caldari D3 is a rail boat, in which case, that will be king of the hill and replace Cormy snipers, hands down.

On that note, i cannot see how the Caldari D3 cannot be a rail boat. It has to be - no one snipes with missiles. The closest you get is Tengu fleets, Talwar fleets or maybe the Cerb fleets. Caldari missile D3's would have to search for a niche to fill, given they will be even slower than the Confessor and suck ass like the Corax most likely.

As for the discussions about the other races destroyers, well, we shall have to see how they handle the defensive mode on the other races. I expect that you will get a shield boost bonus on Minnie defensive mode, and resist bonus on the Caldari in defensive mode. Which will be tres ironic for these new shattered frig wormholes, because you'd be suicidal to bring either of these in to the C6 W-R effects. Luls. Even more luls would be a rep bonus on the Gallente hull, because you'd get overwhelemed by DPS instantly facing off against other 2400 dps D3's.

Just to be a bit off topic - these shattered frig holes are a stupid, stupid idea. Really.

Who need dreads anyway?

Gallente sniper mode might want a speed and tracking boost on drones so they get on target more rapidly from range instead of bonuses on the guns

Yerp. Long time no see.

It was explicitly stated that t3 destroyers will be able to enter smalls. Also, the obvious answer and correcting both of you is that for every 1 t2 ship there can be afforded 10 or 100 t1 derp frigs. Getting the bejeezus mobbed out of you is why you don't see t2 cruisers and destroyers more often; unless you're Snuff Box it's not very cost effective and not very viable. T3 Cruisers are a different story because of their durability and flexibility (covops cloak for example).