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Sweet Chillit
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-12-01 14:04:24 UTC
Please explain to me how a ship computer can keep a spot in space as a bookmark but cannot transmit this to another ship's computer?

I have to make it a physical "thing" and then trade it with another person? Really?
Only a corporation has a "computer book mark board" where spots in space can be stored for other people to access?

With all this futuristic technology I find it baffling that these computers cannot do what my phone can easily do.

It is almost as if the game is designed with purposeful difficulty for things that should be incredibly easy to do in the future, things that can so easily be done already.
Rebelde Orbit White
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-12-01 15:18:31 UTC
Sweet Chillit wrote:

It is almost as if the game is designed with purposeful difficulty for things that should be incredibly easy to do in the future, things that can so easily be done already.


Exactly, welcome to EVE :P

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-12-01 16:12:43 UTC
Sweet Chillit wrote:
Please explain to me how a ship computer can keep a spot in space as a bookmark but cannot transmit this to another ship's computer?

I have to make it a physical "thing" and then trade it with another person? Really?
Only a corporation has a "computer book mark board" where spots in space can be stored for other people to access?

With all this futuristic technology I find it baffling that these computers cannot do what my phone can easily do.

It is almost as if the game is designed with purposeful difficulty for things that should be incredibly easy to do in the future, things that can so easily be done already.


Well, the sharing of bookmarks as you say can easily be done by making them an item...or by fleeting up your alts.

The corporation bank...well, it's a benefit or playing with others....after all it is still a MMO.

p.s. what stops you from just making a corp and dump your alts in there too.P

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-12-01 16:35:57 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Sweet Chillit wrote:
Please explain to me how a ship computer can keep a spot in space as a bookmark but cannot transmit this to another ship's computer?

I have to make it a physical "thing" and then trade it with another person? Really?
Only a corporation has a "computer book mark board" where spots in space can be stored for other people to access?

With all this futuristic technology I find it baffling that these computers cannot do what my phone can easily do.

It is almost as if the game is designed with purposeful difficulty for things that should be incredibly easy to do in the future, things that can so easily be done already.


Well, the sharing of bookmarks as you say can easily be done by making them an item...or by fleeting up your alts.

The corporation bank...well, it's a benefit or playing with others....after all it is still a MMO.

p.s. what stops you from just making a corp and dump your alts in there too.P

*sheepishly raises hand for question he should know the answer to by now*
How does one copy bookmarks I.e. Corp bookmarks for an out of Corp alt.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-01 16:53:01 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Sweet Chillit wrote:
Please explain to me how a ship computer can keep a spot in space as a bookmark but cannot transmit this to another ship's computer?

I have to make it a physical "thing" and then trade it with another person? Really?
Only a corporation has a "computer book mark board" where spots in space can be stored for other people to access?

With all this futuristic technology I find it baffling that these computers cannot do what my phone can easily do.

It is almost as if the game is designed with purposeful difficulty for things that should be incredibly easy to do in the future, things that can so easily be done already.


Well, the sharing of bookmarks as you say can easily be done by making them an item...or by fleeting up your alts.

The corporation bank...well, it's a benefit or playing with others....after all it is still a MMO.

p.s. what stops you from just making a corp and dump your alts in there too.P

*sheepishly raises hand for question he should know the answer to by now*
How does one copy bookmarks I.e. Corp bookmarks for an out of Corp alt.


*Treats Ralph as a noobP

A. Open up your P&P
B. Open up your inventory

C. Select bookmark
D. Hold shift and drag the bookmark from P&P to Inventory (this should copy the bookmark from P&P to your inventory as an item (looks like a pin with paper)

E. Trade / contract the items in your inventory to our OOC altl.
F. Open again inventory and P&P and drag and drop the items to P&P

G. Voila, you copied over bookmarks.

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Sweet Chillit
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-12-01 17:00:59 UTC
Thats really silly. You want an alt to warp to a spot in space you are in? Fleet up and they warp to you. Their ship computer has enough juice to find a spot in space someone is waving from but not enough to store that spot until you get there.

Silly.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2014-12-01 17:15:51 UTC
cheers jpoll, have a forum cookie and get added to the xmas list
Sweet Chillit wrote:

Silly.

hahaha.
true, but far from the silliest mechanic.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#8 - 2014-12-01 17:59:50 UTC
Eve happens in a bleak dystopian future in which the Electronic Frontier Foundation never existed, and digital rights management has permeated technology to an extreme we cannot even comprehend. See bookmarks, blueprint copies, data cores, research having to be performed over and over for the same end results, etc.

It's truly terrible.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-12-01 18:13:40 UTC
Sweet Chillit wrote:
Thats really silly. You want an alt to warp to a spot in space you are in? Fleet up and they warp to you. Their ship computer has enough juice to find a spot in space someone is waving from but not enough to store that spot until you get there.

Silly.


If you find this silly already, you will be in for one hell of a ride.

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-12-01 19:04:12 UTC
Who cares what makes sense? Seriously. Very much in EVE makes absolutely no sense at all, such as ship movement. There's a reason I can't search the market from three regions away but I can communicate with corp member.

Now, this particular grievance I understand, because I don't see any gameplay advantage to bookmarks not being so easily shareable. But I wouldn't phrase it as a problem with sensibility/realism, just an unnecessary restriction on gameplay.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-12-01 19:39:38 UTC
Sweet Chillit wrote:
With all this futuristic technology I find it baffling that these computers cannot do what my phone can easily do.

Do you often place calls to people in outer space, many AU away? You must have a very impressive antenna in your phone, considering the lack of base stations on Venus.

Communication systems are more complicated than just a "computer" and involve physical limits with power level, directivity, and sensitivity (see "radar range equation" and "signal to noise ratio"). That said...meh. It's a game.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-12-01 19:48:40 UTC
I find it silly that:

* We are in a near no friction medium, yet we have to constantly use our engines. Realisticly, 1 small burst should set us flying for ever.

* We can shoot something at an object and it isn't sent out flying cause of the impuls being transfered over.

* How come we can hear the sounds of asteroids being destroyed in a vacuum (In space nobody can hear you scream).

* How come I can ram into a station at full speed and don't receive any damage, yet when a conventional weapon like Autocannons shoot me, I get hurt?

.....




It is a freaking game, not reality.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-12-01 22:04:17 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
I find it silly that:

* We are in a near no friction medium, yet we have to constantly use our engines. Realisticly, 1 small burst should set us flying for ever.

* We can shoot something at an object and it isn't sent out flying cause of the impuls being transfered over.

* How come we can hear the sounds of asteroids being destroyed in a vacuum (In space nobody can hear you scream).

* How come I can ram into a station at full speed and don't receive any damage, yet when a conventional weapon like Autocannons shoot me, I get hurt?

.....




It is a freaking game, not reality.


Welcome to EVE Online, the greatest submarine simulation ever.

Let's add "How come the orientation of my ship has no impact upon my ability to fire my propulsion system in a desired direction"?

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Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-12-02 08:25:55 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
I find it silly that:


* How come we can hear the sounds of asteroids being destroyed in a vacuum (In space nobody can hear you scream).

.


I prefer: In space no one can hear you say "No".
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-12-02 10:24:05 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
I find it silly that:

* We are in a near no friction medium, yet we have to constantly use our engines. Realisticly, 1 small burst should set us flying for ever.

* We can shoot something at an object and it isn't sent out flying cause of the impuls being transfered over.

* How come we can hear the sounds of asteroids being destroyed in a vacuum (In space nobody can hear you scream).

* How come I can ram into a station at full speed and don't receive any damage, yet when a conventional weapon like Autocannons shoot me, I get hurt?

.....




It is a freaking game, not reality.


Welcome to EVE Online, the greatest submarine simulation ever.

Let's add "How come the orientation of my ship has no impact upon my ability to fire my propulsion system in a desired direction"?



Or how about;

How come I can hit a person with a laser while he is directly behind a station and not have a clear line of sight.

Unless we are all "Wanted" assassins...in space....that can curve light and bullets.

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Dirritat'z Demblin
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-12-02 12:43:15 UTC
Why do Titans need a Doomsday if the exhaust alone would be powerfull enough to melt Planets?
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#17 - 2014-12-02 14:49:41 UTC
Dirritat'z Demblin wrote:
Why do Titans need a Doomsday if the exhaust alone would be powerfull enough to melt Planets?


Because it's "go out with a bang", not "go out with a fart"?

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Chiana Moro
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#18 - 2014-12-02 15:02:35 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Dirritat'z Demblin wrote:
Why do Titans need a Doomsday if the exhaust alone would be powerfull enough to melt Planets?


Because it's "go out with a bang", not "go out with a fart"?


Somehow that reminded me of an recent unfortunate incident close to home.

Also, "Why is the pilot of my ship always extricate said ship from a POS *through* various obstacles, like silos, hangars and the tower itself."
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-12-03 07:46:47 UTC
Dirritat'z Demblin wrote:
Why do Titans need a Doomsday if the exhaust alone would be powerfull enough to melt Planets?

Speaking of titans, specifically Avatar. Is it only me or does it look like fleshlight when looking from the mushroom cap side?
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#20 - 2014-12-03 09:18:15 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
Who cares what makes sense? Seriously. Very much in EVE makes absolutely no sense at all, such as ship movement. There's a reason I can't search the market from three regions away but I can communicate with corp member.

Now, this particular grievance I understand, because I don't see any gameplay advantage to bookmarks not being so easily shareable. But I wouldn't phrase it as a problem with sensibility/realism, just an unnecessary restriction on gameplay.


I agree with the first part of your statement. EVE has limitations on gameplay vs realism. None of which I care about either.

The bookmarkpart is bad tho. There are 6 things in EVE that gets you kills:

1. A subscribtion
2. An EVE spaceship with a weapon on it
3. Playing
4. Bookmarks
5. Probes
6. Other people playing (friends and your target for example)

Bookmarks are extremely powerfull and usefull. I strongly suggest "learning" about them fast. That includes undocking and making them. Today. Begin with an insta undock in Jita or Amarr.
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