EVE General Discussion

Good for you!

I wish you every success in your endeavours.

No matter what change comes in you'll always see people ragequitting from the beginning. This is no different. Some people are having a knee-jerk reaction to the announcement. If you look at it rationally though it's really not that big a deal. With input redirection still being allowed (and seemingly no real way to prevent that), with Video FX still being allowed and with fleet warp still in existence, it's still simple to control a whole fleet. Most of the tasks isboxer players perform will still be possible, it will just take 5 more minutes to set up when you undock. I've resubbed and isboxer account and tried out a new setup already which is actually slightly more effective than the broadcasting method, albeit with more clicks. Only the biggest multiboxers need worry about the change.

For me, the biggest problem with the change is that it's pointless. It's going to result in a lot more support tickets from the whining masses, the loss of a few of the biggest mutliboxers the false banning of a fair few normal multiboxers (basically being too quick at controlling you and your alts will appear like multiplexing, and there's no solid way of proving it), and it's all for what? What's the benefit? People keep saying how balanced it will be and how great for the game it is, yet nobody has actually been able to explain what will be different. That's because nothing will be. It's wishful thinking from the uninformed.

This change should be scrapped and the gameplay elements that make multiboxing in scale useful should be looked at instead. If someone can set up 20 characters and control them all blindly using key broadcasting, then that's a good sign that the gameplay element itself sucks and needs to be improved. I'd much rather CCP improved gameplay making multiboxing less viable that way rather than banning something they can't reasonably prove that has been allowed for years.

Awesome, I hope you have tons of fun with your new playstyle!

If you get any interesting or amazing kills, make sure to share them. Sharing is caring, and the gankers are a very caring bunch.


Honestly, never really been a fan of input duplication anyway, and it seems like it squeaked in more because CCP couldn't tell the diff between using a program, and the duct tape and chopsticks method. Just saying "don't do it" regardless of the technique will hopefully improve quality of life in Eve.

Multiboxers still gonna 'box, only now it'll be a little more respectable. Managing a 20 account 'box fleet will require actual skills, and not just a set up input duplication program.

So much WIN!

thx CCP :D

I tried to make a Ticket to ask about my own situation as i use a software-based KVM though CiD could only refer me right back to the topic which made me make the whole ticket.

Normally when multiboxing i had always used a regular KVM switch (as far as I know, that would still be allowed).
The physical KVM has however long-ago died and since 2 years i am using InputDirector which swaps over all my input once i cross my desktop or laptop screen-border. Also when developing cross-platform (i.e. Windows and Linux, ID works on many platforms!) (site for reference; http://www.inputdirector.com/ )

As I am not multiplexing my input, just switching to which computer the input actually goes, I wanted to ask if such a software-KVM is also fine?
Wanted to clarify this before the mighty banhammer might strike me while im doing this :)

Again, you need to answer only one question:

When I click a mouse button or press a key on my keyboard, does more than one client react at a time?

If the answer is yes, you have a problem.

If it's no, you're fine - keep calm and carry on.

So why dont you add windows/linux to the ban list as well, as automation is easily done their as it is with isboxer.

RIP EvE, as now the majority of accounts is with single persons, no longer much of a need for alot of them.

Kinda should of been expected as ccp nerfs all that is good, to the level of ****. #Drake #Cane #JD's #Titans

Except that CCP has already banned multiple people who are using G15s or ISBoxer even though the deadline was Jan 1, so their record is not spotless.

And your usage of "bot-aspirant" indicates you have no clue what "bot" means other than "some program I don't like or don't use". Please try to educate yourself.

This is an excellent point.

I have no idea whether this genie can ever get stuffed back into the bottle, but it would fix many more structural issues with EVE mechanics (frex: bounties) than this prohibition of input broadcasting and multiplexing. It would have some difficult-to-foresee effects on the sort of roles that are naturally suited to alts: off-grid boosters, static wormhole watchers, functionally or literally AFK auto piloting haulers running in a background window, and so forth. It would nerf the mass-of-AFK-cloaking-alts style of gameplay into the ground. And oh, man, the hit to pilots in capital sized, jump-capable ships. Ouch.

I'm not optimistic. I'm still smarting from CCP's jaw-dropping decision to make alts a canonical part of the lore in that comic book.

First off, nobody is "bot aspirant". This is not a discussion about code (who arguably support bots more than any other group).

And no, a "normal" multiboxer with multiple characters performing the same task will often be doign the same thing on all clients. They'll step through the clients clicking the same button on each, which can be done very quickly with well laid out windows or global keybinds (either of which are supposedly banned). A player doing that too fast will appear to be a broadcaster with a delay between clients. I've seen CCPs enforcement backfire enough times to know that this will result in plenty of legitimate players being banned.