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Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-30 19:11:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kevin Tumatauenga
First of all, its just an idea, I hope veterans can go easy with it.

I watched a video that a player was operating 8 alts at the same time, he was using 3 of his alts for intels, he alt-tabs between his main and alts to engage his targets at the right time near stargates, he even prepared his repairing alt in position and logged on to it to repair his main after the fight started.
From my point of view, multiboxing is equal to cheating in pvp, its like peeking others' papers during the exam for answers; glancing opponents' screens in CS; having open map in Dota, it is not fair for whoever gets involved.

Instead of letting players to operate infinite accounts where endless 'afks' sit around stargates, jumpbridges and stations, CCP should make one account with 12 character slots by default(I assume 12 roles are enough for one player), and using plexes to purchase additional slots. The server should also restrict one IP address to one account only. OR similar methods to eliminate to 1 account each person.

Benefits:
1. Providing fair competition in PVP for both sides.
2. Reinforcing the idea of MMORPG, making each role more important and challenging to play by adding more contents, playing styles and game features.
3. Force players to be more sociable, eg, have to ask for a proper tank or salvager for DEDs for extra safety and incomes.
4. Reduce unnecessary calculations at the server end which reduce lag and time dilation.
5. Reduce scammers/personal assualters because they will get their mains banned too.
6. (Not sure if this one is a benefit) Corps can stop worrying about spies, they can view all corps members' mains/alts through APIs, on the other hand a true spy can hide even deeper with all his characters.

After hours of research, I have finally found the solution, theres a game called Star Citizen. Space Sim/FPS. A game really deserved the MMORPG title, that every player involved will actually role play their character. I've done with arguing with you guys, you want keep rolling your 2-3 alt accounts then keep it up.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#2 - 2014-11-30 19:35:45 UTC
Kevin Tumatauenga wrote:

Benefits:
1. Providing fair competition in PVP for both sides.


Fair PvP in Eve means someone screwed up. You might also want to search the forum to see all the arguments against your proposal.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-11-30 19:40:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kevin Tumatauenga
admiral root wrote:
Kevin Tumatauenga wrote:

Benefits:
1. Providing fair competition in PVP for both sides.


Fair PvP in Eve means someone screwed up. You might also want to search the forum to see all the arguments against your proposal.


What I mean by that is that not revealing the position that easily, as they are only a few places you can be in a system.
Iain Cariaba
#4 - 2014-11-30 19:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Kevin Tumatauenga wrote:
First of all, its just an idea, I hope veterans can go easy with it.

I watched a video that a player was operating 8 alts at the same time, he was using 3 of his alts for intels, he alt-tabs between his main and alts to engage his targets at the right time near stargates, he even prepared his repairing alt in position and logged on to it to repair his main after the fight started.
From my point of view, multiboxing is equal to cheating in pvp, its like peeking others' papers during the exam for answers; glancing opponents' screens in CS; having open map in Dota, it is not fair for whoever gets involved.

Instead of letting players to operate infinite accounts where endless 'afks' sit around stargates, jumpbridges and stations, CCP should make one account with 12 character slots by default(I assume 12 roles are enough for one player), and using plexes to purchase additional slots. The server should also restrict one IP address to one account only.

Benefits:
1. Providing fair competition in PVP for both sides.
2. Reinforcing the idea of MMORPG, making each role more important and challenging to play by adding more contents, playing styles and game features.
3. Force players to be more sociable, eg, have to ask for a proper tank or salvager for DEDs for extra safety and incomes.
4. Reduce unnecessary calculations at the server end which reduce lag and time dilation.
5. Reduce scammers/personal assualters because they will get their mains banned too.
6. (Not sure if this one is a benefit) Corps can stop worrying about spies, they can view all corps members' mains/alts through APIs, on the other hand a true spy can hide even deeper with all his characters.

So easy to bypass it's not even worth trying. Simple solution is connect second, and subsequent accounts, through VPNs, and voila, seperate IPs for each account.

Besides, your post makes it pretty obvious that you have no clue how much work it is to multibox at that level, experienced multiboxers just make it look easy. If a player wants to dedicate the time to learn how to multibox like that, I say let them reap the benefits of that dedication, rather than try to restrict them to your ability level simply because you don't think it's fair. If you want to play a game where everything is fair, you're in the wrong place. This is EvE, where the strong and capable thrive while the weak and inept go back to WoW.
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#5 - 2014-11-30 19:48:36 UTC
Okay now even if this WERE to be a thing, and i am by no means saying it should...

What happens to my alt? The reason he exists is because its his job to drive my freighter when i am running incursions and need to haul a buttload of ****,... Now since we lack an instant travel function (and really really REALLY shouldnt want one) hauling my junk would be a very painfull process in deed...

Not to mention doing stuff like OGB on your main, its the one thing even more boring then mining... ASK ME HOW I KNOW!
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-11-30 20:08:39 UTC
Guys.... don't feed the troll.
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#7 - 2014-11-30 20:08:42 UTC
Sometimes I wonder if the people who post threads here even play this game
Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-30 20:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kevin Tumatauenga
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Kevin Tumatauenga wrote:
First of all, its just an idea, I hope veterans can go easy with it.

I watched a video that a player was operating 8 alts at the same time, he was using 3 of his alts for intels, he alt-tabs between his main and alts to engage his targets at the right time near stargates, he even prepared his repairing alt in position and logged on to it to repair his main after the fight started.
From my point of view, multiboxing is equal to cheating in pvp, its like peeking others' papers during the exam for answers; glancing opponents' screens in CS; having open map in Dota, it is not fair for whoever gets involved.

Instead of letting players to operate infinite accounts where endless 'afks' sit around stargates, jumpbridges and stations, CCP should make one account with 12 character slots by default(I assume 12 roles are enough for one player), and using plexes to purchase additional slots. The server should also restrict one IP address to one account only.

Benefits:
1. Providing fair competition in PVP for both sides.
2. Reinforcing the idea of MMORPG, making each role more important and challenging to play by adding more contents, playing styles and game features.
3. Force players to be more sociable, eg, have to ask for a proper tank or salvager for DEDs for extra safety and incomes.
4. Reduce unnecessary calculations at the server end which reduce lag and time dilation.
5. Reduce scammers/personal assualters because they will get their mains banned too.
6. (Not sure if this one is a benefit) Corps can stop worrying about spies, they can view all corps members' mains/alts through APIs, on the other hand a true spy can hide even deeper with all his characters.

So easy to bypass it's not even worth trying. Simple solution is connect second, and subsequent accounts, through VPNs, and voila, seperate IPs for each account.

Besides, your post makes it pretty obvious that you have no clue how much work it is to multibox at that level, experienced multiboxers just make it look easy. If a player wants to dedicate the time to learn how to multibox like that, I say let them reap the benefits of that dedication, rather than try to restrict them to your ability level simply because you don't think it's fair. If you want to play a game where everything is fair, you're in the wrong place. This is EvE, where the strong and capable thrive while the weak and inept go back to WoW.


Yup, I dont want to have any clues with that concept anyway, I dont need to cheat 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and so on. I fight with whatever ship I fly with. Multiboxing competes, its a competition of PC gears/performance, the ones are capable of opening multi-clients will always win, players can eventually do that with enough practice if they have the extra monitor and horsepower? Even though I havnt played a lot of MMORPGs/MOBAs, I've never heard/seen a WoW/Tera/Dota/LoL/CS players playing 2 accounts in hardcore arenas, 1 for damage dealing, the other for healing/peeking? Are they that weak and ********?

If this idea applies, weather or not a player will choose to use VPN to bypass will completely reply on that player's morale.
Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-30 20:24:47 UTC
FireFrenzy wrote:
Okay now even if this WERE to be a thing, and i am by no means saying it should...

What happens to my alt? The reason he exists is because its his job to drive my freighter when i am running incursions and need to haul a buttload of ****,... Now since we lack an instant travel function (and really really REALLY shouldnt want one) hauling my junk would be a very painfull process in deed...

Not to mention doing stuff like OGB on your main, its the one thing even more boring then mining... ASK ME HOW I KNOW!


Thats why I said adding more playing styles/contents to these roles, to make them more challenging and enjoyable. I'm not the one who started with the idea, its CCP who mentioned these 10 roles over Roles
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#10 - 2014-11-30 20:25:44 UTC
if a player is putting that much effort with that much skill into playing then i dont see it as a problem. You should be able to beat him by finding a friend and each putting half as much effort and/or skill as the multiboxer.

so rather than get upset about 'honor' and 'cheating' take your own advice and get some friends.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-11-30 20:31:16 UTC
Kevin Tumatauenga wrote:
FireFrenzy wrote:
Okay now even if this WERE to be a thing, and i am by no means saying it should...

What happens to my alt? The reason he exists is because its his job to drive my freighter when i am running incursions and need to haul a buttload of ****,... Now since we lack an instant travel function (and really really REALLY shouldnt want one) hauling my junk would be a very painfull process in deed...

Not to mention doing stuff like OGB on your main, its the one thing even more boring then mining... ASK ME HOW I KNOW!


Thats why I said adding more playing styles/contents to these roles, to make them more challenging and enjoyable. I'm not the one who started with the idea, its CCP who mentioned these 10 roles over Roles


That seems to display 10 roles that people can do... I must miss the giant neon sign saying "OH BTW, YOU CAN ONLY USE ONE ACCOUNT AT A TIME!"

No, your idea is restricting people to one account. It is entirely separate from enhancements in the gameplay experiance of varios careers. Don't try and wallpaper your idea with a general CCP roadmap.

-1. The day I can only use one account is the day 4/5 of my accounts go dark.
Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-11-30 20:41:06 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Guys.... don't feed the troll.


Call me troll if I post this in General Forum
Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-11-30 20:41:57 UTC
BadAssMcKill wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if the people who post threads here even play this game


Yeah, I play this game, so far I've played for a week
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2014-11-30 20:44:52 UTC
There we go.
You think your week has been enough to wrap your head around eve?
Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-11-30 20:48:52 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
There we go.
You think your week has been enough to wrap your head around eve?


Sorry if my idea upset you, but no need to be salty to a rookie who just wants to share his ideas for a game he loves. I've never asked CCP to execute it immediately.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#16 - 2014-11-30 20:49:50 UTC
Kevin Tumatauenga wrote:


Yeah, I play this game, so far I've played for a week


That'll be it.

wait till youve gathered a few million m3 in assets and need to find someone whos active, trusted, not at work, not busy and doesnt mind taking the time out from his own activities to move your stuff for free at whatever time is convenient to you.

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Iain Cariaba
#17 - 2014-11-30 21:06:02 UTC
Kevin Tumatauenga wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:
So easy to bypass it's not even worth trying. Simple solution is connect second, and subsequent accounts, through VPNs, and voila, seperate IPs for each account.

Besides, your post makes it pretty obvious that you have no clue how much work it is to multibox at that level, experienced multiboxers just make it look easy. If a player wants to dedicate the time to learn how to multibox like that, I say let them reap the benefits of that dedication, rather than try to restrict them to your ability level simply because you don't think it's fair. If you want to play a game where everything is fair, you're in the wrong place. This is EvE, where the strong and capable thrive while the weak and inept go back to WoW.


Yup, I dont want to have any clues with that concept anyway, I dont need to cheat 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and so on. I fight with whatever ship I fly with. Multiboxing competes, its a competition of PC gears/performance, the ones are capable of opening multi-clients will always win, players can eventually do that with enough practice if they have the extra monitor and horsepower? Even though I havnt played a lot of MMORPGs/MOBAs, I've never heard/seen a WoW/Tera/Dota/LoL/CS players playing 2 accounts in hardcore arenas, 1 for damage dealing, the other for healing/peeking? Are they that weak and ********?

If this idea applies, weather or not a player will choose to use VPN to bypass will completely reply on that player's morale.

1. If you have zero experience with it, then you don't have the necessary knowledge to generate an informed opinion, and are just trolling. Trolls are not restricted to GD.
2. Multiboxing is less machine dependant than you think. My box is a 3GHz AMD quad core with 8GB RAM and a nvidia GT 640 video card. If I cut the graphics to minimum, I can easily run 10 clients on a box that cost me less than US$300 to build.
3. A second monitor? Sure, I have one of those. It's a little 19" Dell thingy that I picked up out of the local internet advertising site (craigslist in this case) for US$10. The only use it gets when I'm playing EvE is to display my voice comms and Pyfa. Granted my main monitor cost more than my tower, but before I got it I used dual 19" monitors and stretched EvE across both of them, because 19" monitors are cheap, you just need to look around.
4. EvE is not like any other MMO, so don't try to apply their standards to it. If you don't like this fact, in the account management section of the EvE website is a button labeled "Unsubscribe" that you should probably use.
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-11-30 21:06:28 UTC
I have alts, but with few exceptions I only use one at a time. I will use two when bumping a JF out of docking range or the like. The expansion of alt usage over the years is rather disenchanting from my perspective. As such I appreciate your intent.

However many players have become reliant upon them and the sky will fall. (Not saying that's bad.) CCP has a conflict of interest here as well.

If thought about similar ideas in the past, however how would you account for multiple house mates playing on the same local network? As their external ip would be the same. I suppose something like the trial restriction could be somewhere to start. Perhaps a cap of 3 or something, but to be realistic this will never happen.

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.

Kevin Tumatauenga
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-11-30 21:28:34 UTC
Evora Pirkibo wrote:
I have alts, but with few exceptions I only use one at a time. I will use two when bumping a JF out of docking range or the like. The expansion of alt usage over the years is rather disenchanting from my perspective. As such I appreciate your intent.

However many players have become reliant upon them and the sky will fall. (Not saying that's bad.) CCP has a conflict of interest here as well.

If thought about similar ideas in the past, however how would you account for multiple house mates playing on the same local network? As their external ip would be the same. I suppose something like the trial restriction could be somewhere to start. Perhaps a cap of 3 or something, but to be realistic this will never happen.


Hmm, Im not really a computer engineer, but im sure there will be similar methods to restrict the amount of gaming clients opened on a single personal computer, it doesnt necessarily have to be IP restriction, it could be registered gmail account only(after google introduced google +, google is able to identify and integrate multiple gmail addresses to one single account who registered using same real name, apparently a few online shopping websites like ebay/amazon is using this method to identify and eliminate scamming accounts/ accounts that people to avoid using because of bad reputation), of course not everyone is using google email to register eve account.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#20 - 2014-11-30 21:29:10 UTC
suddenly CCP loses 2/3 of it's income and eve dies.... love the idea can't see a problem with itUgh
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