EVE General Discussion

More or less killing off ISboxer is a good thing, so I support CCP on this.

If CCP did not more or less kill ISboxer they would be in the wrong.

It is not a question of supporting CCP because they are CCP, but a question of doing the right thing by the game in a holistic sense.

In this instance, CCP are doing the right thing.

In your opinion and the opinion of several others but not in mine and several others. Unless there is a poll taken we won't know what the majority think. And the majority are not reading this thread nor are involved in the forums. So it is a moot point.

Opinion vs opinion doesn't solve anything.

We have don't have like it, as said before adapt or move on. Some are choosing to move on some are choosing to adapt. We'll suss it out when the time comes.

Be careful what you wish for...

Again, you seem to be one of those who makes no effort to distinguish between an ISBoxer with a human behind the keyboard, and a botter with an empty chair. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

In your opinion CCP is doing the right thing. However the wonderful thing about this is that we are allowed to dispute these changes on the forums. Remember the outcry that was raised for the stealth bombers decloaking each other? Players voiced their opinions and concerns with CCP regarding that change and CCP listened. Unfortunately in this instance they are choosing to listen to a vocal minority without making even any sort of effort to contact those who are affected by the change. Members of the CSM who have zero experience with what they're talking about are attempting to push CCP into banning a part of EVE that has been around for a long time. To us this is akin to CCP telling us we cannot play, and as such we are protesting. If CCP were to completely remove bombers, or T3s, or ABCs, there'd be an outcry as well as CCP would be removing the playstyle of many people.

Most damning is CCP's absolute refusal to explain their reasoning or their thought process, which screams to us that they either do not know why they are doing this, or do not have a reason that is not "there were a few crybabies who got bombed afk on a planet in nullsec and we didn't bother to investigate the lossmails".

Flips sign back to "Open".

Thread reopened, same rules apply!

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Just gonna leave this here because its pretty accurate.

This whole sorry sage is quite confusing.

On the one hand, some ISboxers are going to rage quit because the sky is falling in.

On the other hand, some ISboxers seem to think that the new rules will have little impact.

Maybe they should confer and present a coherent case in defence of ISboxer to CCP.

One problem is there's overlap between the two. Some of the people quitting don't see this changing too much in the behavior of ISBoxers, but they aren't willing to run the obstacle course every time they want to do something simply because one person slipped at the beginning and started crying to mommy.

Dominix, Rattler, Ishtar, Vexor, Gila, Loki, Huginn, and Nestor prices will rise as suddenly drone assist becomes a very enticing prospect, and we'll no doubt see a slight "gold rush" into nullsec for empty systems to rat in. Providence will most likely become crowded, renter alliances will swell, and C3s will suddenly become very occupied.

RUS Commander, Boxing is overpowered, but knowing it .. why to promote it with buddy programs etc.

I stand by what I wrote and meant.

CCP is constantly encouraging additional accounts.

Anyone who has two accounts loses some amount of time moving from one screen to another and back perhaps several times a minute to enter commands. Granted, with two accounts the lost time is infinitesimal but it goes up with each additional account. That time lost, even with two accounts can mean the loss of a ship. That ship loss may not have happened if the intent of the player to control each character without a loss of time by having each account respond to a key press in the time, the subscribed to time of each character of each account, costing the player the same amount, had the ability to play each account with the same speed. Therefore, each additional account, after 1/1/15, will cost the same, but will not be able to be played equally as fast. In fact, the more one pays in subs, the less that subscriber will be able to command their characters to act at the precise time they decide to press a key to have the first account act. Each subsequent account will receive less value for the same price of the first sub.

Yes, it is up to each player to know his or her limits, and some have decided they can only play with half of the accounts they have now and others have decided the game they want to play is the same game they have been playing since 2010 and leave entirely. Yes, make snide remarks about how much you care. I don't care how much your care and I doubt the ones leaving do either. Regardless of the conjured up financial projections, someone in CCP accounting may care, or not - I don't care about that either.

I just want full measure for what I pay.

If Eve wants to have fewer subs, this is a good start.

OKAY, everyone who is besides themselves with how much humor their words bear can now invite me to not let the door hit me in my six or ask if they can hazz my stuff, or good riddance, or any of the other trite and useless comments made so many times already and not just in this forum but every forum since the being of forumdom.

I am not going anywhere, so no, no one can have my stuff. Depending on how it goes and how many other steps the vocal minority is screaming to have put in place to drive IS Boxer out of business, I'll decide if I can employ my characters efficiently and when I can't, I'll cut back on my workforce, and I don't care if your care or what you think about my decision making criteria.

If anyone believes the entire loss of Eve customers from IS Boxer will affect their business, as I've seen conjured projections of how many millions it will take to hurt them, I encourage you to visit and see how many other games in which it is used and has passed their muster. The following is not a supported fact, but an educated estimate from an Inner Space company spokesman who has more insight into this than probably anyone here, that half of the accounts in WOW use IS Boxer. Now look up how many accounts are in WOW. I don't know, I've never played it, but I understand it is the largest MMO out there.

Now we will find out how many people have never heard of Inner Space.

I hope everyone enjoys their game. I will until and if I ever stop enjoying it.

Thank you,