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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1401 - 2011-12-15 19:57:23 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now.


Incarna was a failure ,not WIS
Maybe WIS is a failure to you ,but not to me and apperantly a lot of others


they came out and called everything they had done so far no fun. meaning their whole project was viewed as a failure by the very people building it. hence why it got scrapped.



They had a plan to implement WIs in modules in EVE starting with CQ stated by the very people building it.
If they indeed didn,t see a future for WIS ,there should be explanation that some timeline or expectations couldn,t be realized.
but instead we see a sudden stop ,with no explanation.


Besides ,i want WIS,not Incarna and CCP stopped Incarna
If it was up to me the Nex would removed right away,but not WIS ,that should be the panic move they did

R.S.I2014
Kanexus
F.13 - Union of Russians
F.13
#1402 - 2011-12-15 20:21:53 UTC
Actually the nex is a great idea...just stupid cause you gotta pay with cash and stuff...if you could just spend isk would be cool then...

either way i want walk in stations...if Eve dont implement it....then ill still play the game
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1403 - 2011-12-15 20:47:18 UTC
The worst is silence.

They don't say "it's over, say WiS good bye"
Don't say "we can't get on it now, maybe later"
Don't say "we don't know what to do next"
Don't say "we are thinking about it"
Don't say "will have news in some (enter timespan)"

No. They just don't say a bloody thing.

And silence serves nothing good. Silence is what you expect from that arrogant ass company that cornered itself some months ago.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1404 - 2011-12-15 21:04:46 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The worst is silence.

They don't say "it's over, say WiS good bye"
Don't say "we can't get on it now, maybe later"
Don't say "we don't know what to do next"
Don't say "we are thinking about it"
Don't say "will have news in some (enter timespan)"

No. They just don't say a bloody thing.

And silence serves nothing good. Silence is what you expect from that arrogant ass company that cornered itself some months ago.


+1

R.S.I2014
Velicitia
XS Tech
#1405 - 2011-12-15 21:05:53 UTC
Kanexus wrote:
Actually the nex is a great idea...just stupid cause you gotta pay with cash and stuff...if you could just spend isk would be cool then...

either way i want walk in stations...if Eve dont implement it....then ill still play the game


you can pay with ISK.

isk --> plex --> aur

OR

wait for someone to try selling the NEX stuff you want on the market.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1406 - 2011-12-15 21:20:08 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Kanexus wrote:
Actually the nex is a great idea...just stupid cause you gotta pay with cash and stuff...if you could just spend isk would be cool then...

either way i want walk in stations...if Eve dont implement it....then ill still play the game


you can pay with ISK.

isk --> plex --> aur

OR

wait for someone to try selling the NEX stuff you want on the market.


yes try selling well said

a pair of goggles cost you the same as a fairly fitted T2 frig

the Plex is a good way for the richer people among us get richer faster ingame and increase accountlevels for CCP
But CCP wasn,t content with it ,they wanted to milk the plex and introduced the NEX
the feature almost nobody in EVE wanted,but WIS presented by CCP long ago a lot of people were optimistic about
So CCP was right about Incarna and put it on ice,but was wrong on the WIS-part of it

R.S.I2014
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1407 - 2011-12-15 22:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Flamespar
It's interesting given the huge response this thread has attracted, and the obvious support that Incarna does have from many players, that neither the CSM or CCP have graced us with a serious, well thought out, response. Nor to my knowledge was WiS seriously discussed at the Summit.

Both CCP and CSM say that we can have a voice through the CSM, and that CCP wants to hear our feedback. So why can't either group be bothered developing an well thought out response (that doesn't devolve into the usual rhetoric that has characterised some of CSM).

It's been raised in the assembly hall, it's being on the front page of general discussion for months, CSM members have been emailed. What else is there to do? Email Hilmar himself?

This represents what is broken with CSM, that unless your interests match their own, then you won't get your view seriously represented. Which is stupid as despite the fact that each CSM is voted in by a particular group of players, they are still tasked with the role of representing all players to the best of their abilities.
Sarion Stormweaver
Spectrum Solutions INC
#1408 - 2011-12-15 22:45:43 UTC
what to do ?
definitely at the next CSM elections i'll vote for people that have WiS on the agenda.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1409 - 2011-12-15 23:11:06 UTC
The three words that cannot be spoken

Walking

in

Stations


When I started this thread I guessed it would get to 4 or five pages of support and we'd get at least some CCP weasel words about "continuing to investigate...bla bla bla.... resources.... we hear you...... now move along".

And we don't even get that. And the current CSM, don't get me started!


Still demanding a CCP response. So who here would join in a statue shooting movement?

Issler
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1410 - 2011-12-15 23:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Sarion Stormweaver wrote:
what to do ?
definitely at the next CSM elections i'll vote for people that have WiS on the agenda.


I too align my interests behind the already defeated in hope for the promise of a better tomorrow. Roll

Edit - I too look forward to the Walking in Outposts feature, and the tears of the countless hundreds afraid of null sec. There be dragons and what not out there.

What was the statistic... 61% of players have a playstyle that operates around Null-Sec, therefore- 61% of the players will vote to improve nullsec, thereby what lies in the future, has no effect on empire. Almost ever person on the CSM is from where again?

Please note, that in the popularity contest that is the CSM, how many members are from the top 4 Nullsec alliances again? Being a gambling man, I would bet that the next CSM is comprised of like individuals from the same alliances, if they choose to run again.
Long John Silver
Doomheim
#1411 - 2011-12-15 23:46:38 UTC
The whole FiS vs WiS thing came about because CCP dropped FiS development to focus on WiS. Then when WiS finally arrived, it was a solitary confinement cell that fried graphics cards, accompanied by heavy marketing to persuade people to buy expensive cosmetic items.

It's not surprising WiS was derided as being little more than a space-barbie shop.

I think most players would enjoy WiS if it involved meaningful player interaction and graphics cards could easily support it. I suspect that is a long way off though.

CCP's silence is because they went for a 'bridge too far'. They're regrouping at the moment, focusing on FiS because they can do more for us all that way. Longer term? Who knows. I think they probably will, if they can, but not for a while yet given the resources and time commitment involved.

**Long John Silver **| Pirate Alt and Forum Troll.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1412 - 2011-12-15 23:51:41 UTC
Walking in Spaceships.
Want.
Agallis Zinthros
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1413 - 2011-12-16 04:56:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Agallis Zinthros
Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.

Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.

Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.

I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.

CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.

Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...

Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course.

Amarr Victor Owner / operator of http://local-spike.com, an EVE-focused PVP blog
Malcolm Gunn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1414 - 2011-12-16 06:58:56 UTC
To people wondering when CCP said they were focusing on core gameplay... Have you even logged in since Crucible was deployed?

So much butthurt...


Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time.
Taiwanistan
#1415 - 2011-12-16 07:46:23 UTC
Agallis Zinthros wrote:
Bars and gambling in Winter 2012 with a few space-side fixes? Sure.

Summer expansion should be enough to fix a lot of the gameplay that irks me.

Also fix PI taxes in highsec pls CCP. POS feul going crazy places soon.

I'm gonna vote in the same CSM though, even if they're too aggressive towards these features.

CCP went the wrong direction (useless crap like NEX on top of a subscription model), and the CSM set them straight.

Now, if WiS became full-featured and the NEX store got expanded along with dropping the subscription model ...

Well, barbies could very well pay so PVP-focused players like me don't have to. A lot of games that went from sub to F2P + paid cosmetics have seen largely increased playerbases and revenue. Eve should be able to pull the same. Microtransaction paint jobs anyone? All assuming no more sub costs of course.


kill yourself, we don't need passerby bitches like you in this game

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1416 - 2011-12-16 07:55:49 UTC
Malcolm Gunn wrote:
To people wondering when CCP said they were focusing on core gameplay... Have you even logged in since Crucible was deployed?

So much butthurt...


Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time.


52 days later, after 1,415 posts, and poor CCP dudes still haven't found a spot to tell that same story in nice words wrapped with sincere apology and warmful simpathy. Cursed timetables! Roll

Maybe we should call in the Press... Question

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Taiwanistan
#1417 - 2011-12-16 08:01:16 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Malcolm Gunn wrote:
To people wondering when CCP said they were focusing on core gameplay... Have you even logged in since Crucible was deployed?

So much butthurt...


Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time.


52 days later, after 1,415 posts, and poor CCP dudes still haven't found a spot to tell that same story in nice words wrapped with sincere apology and warmful simpathy. Cursed timetables! Roll

Maybe we should call in the Press... Question


so you can't take a hint?

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Arcathra
Technodyne Ltd.
#1418 - 2011-12-16 08:32:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Arcathra
Malcolm Gunn wrote:

Like I said. I'll take some WiS content when it's something CCP can devote some time to to do it properly. Right now is not that time.

I agree. There is a lot to be done. Looking at what they managed in about a few weeks I'm really excited what the summer expansion next year will look like.
But I think it won't hurt anybody if they can start to work on some WiS features after that. They don't have to dedicate their whole team to it but in my humble opinion they have to do something to get the game forward. WiS is a great way to expand the universe without necessarily destroying the core gameplay.

I would like some statement from them how the (near) future of WiS is planned because I'm very interested in it, as are many other people. But I can somewhat understand why they try to brush it under the carpet at the moment. They have to just look in this thread to see how many bitter vets are butthurt by WiS interested people who are just asking for a clarification on the future of WiS.
Federigo Mondial
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1419 - 2011-12-16 09:04:28 UTC
Honestly I will put WIS and Incarna on the bottom of the list first. CCP has a HUGE backlog of bug fixes to be done first and that will take them easily 2 expansions to actually resolve.

WIS will happen when DUST appears of course, no worries ;)
Freezehunter
#1420 - 2011-12-16 09:09:48 UTC
Federigo Mondial wrote:
Honestly I will put WIS and Incarna on the bottom of the list first. CCP has a HUGE backlog of bug fixes to be done first and that will take them easily 2 expansions to actually resolve.

WIS will happen when DUST appears of course, no worries ;)


And when DUST will be an abortion, they will scrap both.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.