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Null Sec Exploration - Relic Sites

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Zeales Rogue
Emotional Net Loss
#1 - 2014-11-30 02:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeales Rogue
Hello. My name is Zeales and I'm a new explorer.

So, I've been trying to scan out relic sites for around a week now, and I honestly don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm comfortable with scanning and hacking, I'm comfortable with avoiding camps and using my map, I'm comfortable with transitioning from low sec to null sec and vise versa.

When it comes down to it, my real problem is literally finding the site. I'm homed my character in Jita, so that's where I start naturally. I've made 50 jumps into northern and eastern null sec, going north I found 1 relic site after 50 jumps. Going east I found no relic sites after 50 jumps. I scanned every zone with the exception of the high sec into low sec systems and the low sec into null sec systems, anything heavily populated I skipped, which is only about three zones. I popped into a wormhole and scanned 8 site there before leaving and didn't find a single relic site either. I found a few data sites, but I was told not to bring a data analyzer with me as relic yields more. I also found a ton of combat sites and wormholes, both are worthless to me as I don't know how to navigate a wormhole and combat sites are of no use to a solo explorer with no guns.

I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. If anyone who is experienced with exploration could give me a little guidance it'd be greatly appreciated.

Signed,
Zeales

o7
Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-11-30 02:59:02 UTC
Zeales Rogue wrote:
Hello. My name is Zeales and I'm a new explorer.

So, I've been trying to scan out relic sites for around a week now, and I honestly don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm comfortable with scanning and hacking, I'm comfortable with avoiding camps and using my map, I'm comfortable with transitioning from low sec to null sec and vise versa.

When it comes down to it, my real problem is literally finding the site. I'm homed my character in Jita, so that's where I start naturally. I've made 50 jumps into northern and eastern null sec, going north I found 1 relic site after 50 jumps. Going east I found no relic sites after 50 jumps. I scanned every zone with the exception of the high sec into low sec systems and the low sec into null sec systems, anything heavily populated I skipped, which is only about three zones. I popped into a wormhole and scanned 8 site there before leaving and didn't find a single relic site either. I found a few data sites, but I was told not to bring a data analyzer with me as relic yields more. I also found a ton of combat sites and wormholes, both are worthless to me as I don't know how to navigate a wormhole and combat sites are of no use to a solo explorer with no guns.

I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. If anyone who is experienced with exploration could give me a little guidance it'd be greatly appreciated.

Signed,
Zeales

o7



I am new to this, but I rarely ever see relic sites either. Though I have found a few wormholes, but they are not worthless.. within w-space you can find additional data/relic sites. They are just somewhat dangerous....collapsing behind you and whatnot :)
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#3 - 2014-11-30 03:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
personally I always found null sec to be very picked over. usually very quickly too. On the otherhand there are always tons of relic and data sites in lowsec to the point where imo lowsec exploration is more worthwhile then null isk wise. Also the skill requirements are less. Ofc I dont really do exploration sites anymore b/c of the minigame, but I do hunt explorers in them.

In short you're not doing anything wrong you are just unlucky/looking in the wrong locations.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Orlacc
#4 - 2014-11-30 04:10:45 UTC
As mentioned, some areas of Null are "picked over" then again many areas are not. I always manage to find some relic sites. Also, bring a Data Analyzer for the slow days. You never know what you might find.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Zeales Rogue
Emotional Net Loss
#5 - 2014-11-30 05:12:28 UTC
So would I be better off bringing a data analyzer to null sec or just picking around low sec?

Would it be best to bring a data analyzer as well to low sec if I chose to go there?
Alhira Katserna
Deep Space Exploration And Exploitation
#6 - 2014-11-30 12:18:10 UTC
Depending on how far you went from Jita into eastern direction you could have reached the Drone Regions.
AFAIK there are no relic sites and also very rare data. Had yesterday a wormhole that brought me there. Scanned down more than 30 systems but found only 1! data site (although it had a augmented hobgoblin bpc in it).

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#7 - 2014-11-30 12:48:01 UTC
Zeales Rogue wrote:
So would I be better off bringing a data analyzer to null sec or just picking around low sec?

Would it be best to bring a data analyzer as well to low sec if I chose to go there?


It depends on what you are doing. If you were living in null and trying to explore then I would have both relic and data analyzers. OTH if you are just day tripping I would concentrate on lowsec. BTW in the last update I thought CCP said they boosted data sites, so maybe they are worth doing in and of themselves - I cant really say because I don't run them. I just use them as bait.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Belesia Velorea
The Fiendish Pixies
#8 - 2014-11-30 15:29:27 UTC
I live in a small 5 or 6 systems portion of Faction Warfare lowsec and it is pretty much flooded with data and relic sites. My record count was 27 data/relic sites in 3 systems. It has inherently more risk due to the population and site campers but I know all the locals who do it so i'm yet to fall for their traps.

As an explorer myself I have found things to be much more rewarding actaully living inside a set area of space rather than just going on a 30+ jump trip somewhere. You also have the added benefit in high populated areas of sites cycling faster due to other explorers completing them eslewhere. It's not uncommon to have 5-15 new sigs to scan down throughout the course of a day in each system. Sure not all are the kind you are looking for but there's rarely a dull moment and infinitely more things to do.

It's not the most active or chatty group but Explore-EVE is a nice channel. You can ask for help and adivse or just have a chat with other explorers while you're out cruising the stars.
Ellen Madullier
Savage Moon Society
#9 - 2014-11-30 16:41:57 UTC
Hey!

For what it's worth, my suggestion would be to get away from Jita.

I remember when I was first starting out I would take day trips like you to lowsec or from whatever highsec-nullsec wormhole I could find.

Now it's the other way around, I take day trips to highsec every once in a great while. I suggest basing somewhere really quiet in lowsec. Quiet lowsec like Aridia, Molden Heath, Genesis or Kador. Lowsec has the most wormholes last I heard so getting around is not a problem. I have a central point that I drop my loot off in lowsec and then when there's a direct to high wormhole nearby I'll take it to market.

Everything around Jita, even most of highsec for that matter is going to be very, very competitive.

After a bit you get used to it. Bear

SUPER MODLEL ELLEN MADULLIER - BELLE EXPLORATEUR de NEW EDEN

Zeales Rogue
Emotional Net Loss
#10 - 2014-11-30 18:20:51 UTC
I'm just taking day trips into null sec. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with basing myself in low sec because I don't fully understand how everything works when it comes to docking and storing anything I actually do find.

I'll go ahead and just take a focus on low sec for awhile with a relic and data analyzer and see how it goes. I'll also hop into Explore-EvE.

Overall is it in my best interest to scan populated areas? I normally avoid scanning even if one other person is in the area unless I can instantly D scan them and conclude they're ratting. It also seems incredibility hard to find an empty portion of low sec.

Thank you all for your advice so far, I greatly appreciate it.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#11 - 2014-12-01 09:31:41 UTC
I'd start by seeing an optometrist - looks nasty. Beside that, go to lowsec or null but NOT factional warfare regions. Jita is probably the worst system in the entire map to base out of for exploration.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Ellen Madullier
Savage Moon Society
#12 - 2014-12-01 17:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ellen Madullier
Zeales Rogue wrote:
I'm just taking day trips into null sec. I'm not sure I'm comfortable with basing myself in low sec because I don't fully understand how everything works when it comes to docking and storing anything I actually do find.

I'll go ahead and just take a focus on low sec for awhile with a relic and data analyzer and see how it goes. I'll also hop into Explore-EvE.

Overall is it in my best interest to scan populated areas? I normally avoid scanning even if one other person is in the area unless I can instantly D scan them and conclude they're ratting. It also seems incredibility hard to find an empty portion of low sec.

Thank you all for your advice so far, I greatly appreciate it.


Unless there is neutrals, or flashy reds (gate camp) at the gate I just jumped into, I still drop probes and scan the system's signatures down. Ignoring everything but WH's and data/relic sites. Bookmark them and return later. The system might be empty.

This is the order I do stuff when I enter a system; unless it's campy then I switch to plan B.

Plan A:

Warp to random planet at range.

Drop probes and click scan before warpoff.

Cloak after probe launcher reloads.

Warp (cloaked if you can) to WH's at range after you've scanned them.

It's good to be suspicious. Any of them could be in a Stealth Bomber waiting on one of the containers you are trying to hack. Or they already probed their home system down and just wait for a neutral like you to show up!

Plan B: Look up MWD + Cloak trick

SUPER MODLEL ELLEN MADULLIER - BELLE EXPLORATEUR de NEW EDEN

Zeales Rogue
Emotional Net Loss
#13 - 2014-12-01 21:24:57 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I'd start by seeing an optometrist - looks nasty. Beside that, go to lowsec or null but NOT factional warfare regions. Jita is probably the worst system in the entire map to base out of for exploration.


Alright, say I relocate my home station, would I still transport my things to Jita in order to sell?

Also, my local optometrist got podded.
Orlacc
#14 - 2014-12-01 21:36:15 UTC
As an explorer of some note (none) I never go to Jita. There are other hubs. Rens, Amarr, Dodixie to name a few. Spend a few hours out and about then go home or to a hub.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Brink Albosa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-12-01 21:44:50 UTC
Zeales Rogue wrote:
Zappity wrote:
I'd start by seeing an optometrist - looks nasty. Beside that, go to lowsec or null but NOT factional warfare regions. Jita is probably the worst system in the entire map to base out of for exploration.


Alright, say I relocate my home station, would I still transport my things to Jita in order to sell?

Also, my local optometrist got podded.


Yeah or the next nearest hub
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#16 - 2014-12-02 15:16:00 UTC
Zeales Rogue wrote:
I found a few data sites, but I was told not to bring a data analyzer with me as relic yields more.


The Phoebe changes to data loot didn't help, but a data site you can find is going to yield more than a relic site you can't. I always have both analysers with me (midslots are the explorer's friend, which is sadly why the Magnate won't do if one is still in T1s) and will run whatever I can find.

Additionally, the Limited Sleeper Caches in Phoebe want both analysers, and they are potentially extremely lucrative.
Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#17 - 2014-12-02 15:31:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitrah
Zeales Rogue wrote:
Zappity wrote:
I'd start by seeing an optometrist - looks nasty. Beside that, go to lowsec or null but NOT factional warfare regions. Jita is probably the worst system in the entire map to base out of for exploration.


Alright, say I relocate my home station, would I still transport my things to Jita in order to sell?

Also, my local optometrist got podded.


Drop the stuff off in the nearest contiguous hi sec and set up a public courier contract to have so me one else bring it to Jita.

The stuff is generally light, and the collateral isn't super high, so you should not have much trouble finding a guy trying to break into hauling move it for pennies.

Once you have a billion or so gathered up, swing by or clone jump to sell it all.

Other options would be to look for k-space to low class wormholes. Not only do they have the nullsec relic and hacking sites in relative abundance, they also have the potential of having links to other nullsec or hi sec systems for quick relocation.

For example X702 in hi sec takes you to c3 space which will have at least one k-space static.
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-12-02 15:35:53 UTC
Shon Anzomi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-12-03 08:10:52 UTC
Set your star map to show the jumps statistic for the systems, so you know how to plan your route. I don't to more than 10-15 systems a day and on bad day (like yesterday) I end up finding 80 milions in loot.

If I did not stop by every data/relic I find I would be probably more effective. I also peek into every wormhole that doesnt look to be ending the next second and is not very likely to be camped. That makes my travelling very slow, but I enjoy it.

And sometimes its funny to travel 20 systems down and enter wormhole already bookmarked from two weeks ago :)