EVE General Discussion

I hardly believe that it takes hours to set it up. And any variation to window positions can easily be prevented.

Use the function to reset all window positions, which is built into eve. Then repesoition the windows on all your clients at once -> done. Sure that takes 5 hours to do right?

Also the amount of workload to built in a cheat does not justify the use of it.

To go with my previous example of aimbots. Just because it is surely not an easy task to actually programm your own aimbot, it does not justify the use of it. (Before you read something wrong into it: I am talking about programming it yourself, not installing a script).

I was targetting the comment I am bolding in the quote in this reply, and I can hardly imagine that with the described method that takes long.

The time needed to work out a good overall window arrangement and gathering the experience it takes to arrange things to wrok more efficiently also is not limited to people who are using ISboxer or other tools like that. The same also counts for people who are multiboxing without the help of 3rd party tools.

So I would not count that as a valid point as justification to use such programms.

I multibox using broadcast, i love it too, i can do perfectly without. I like this game and have always played within the rules set by ccp.

I wasn't going to write in the thread because ccp statement is pefectly clear for me. But you sir, like to talk about a program, a function, a problem?... that you have little experience with. Most none isboxers seem to have no idea how it works, yet see what it "can" do and so the pitchforks come out - same as people crying about T3s beeing op, incursions beeing to much isk for highsec, there are a million things that will bring out the mob. But until ccp says it isn't allowed, it is allowed - this is the same case as the multibroadcasting function, ccp was informed by isbox users themselves this was not a secret,behind closed door thing...


So isboxer is not an easy setup, it takes more then repositioning windows and if you dont do it properly alot of things go wrong fast and you will need more then 5hrs to work these kinks out. I can honnestly say i have spend more the 100hrs digging into isboxer functions, because of interest.

Knowing what it can do, how to use it and what to avoid or figure out how to fix and reduce the effects of a derpmoment was fun. Finding the weakpoints and how to break multiboxer setups that i could encounter was challenging. All in the spirit of eve, knowing your enemy and fight the fights you can win... and it isn't that hard to win against most multiboxer setups if you know how they work...

But you have spend ZERO? hrs into this program and haven't bothered checking what it can do??? IF you had, you wouldn't be giving stupid statements like: "I hardly believe" because that just translates into "I'm making things up".


To add; you say cheat.. though ccp has said it was fine for years...and never taken actions against it because of it, moreover in some cases ccp said: It is fine to do this, we are not seeing this as an issue
It's also worth adding that most multiboxers have send petitions to make sure they did not break any game rule! During the last year and after previous statements by ccp about multiboxing with isboxer most of us have gotten the answer " you can use the functions until we say otherwise, we allow it, enjoy".
so ISboxer and/or multibroadcasting was not a cheat, not a violation and frankly it still isn't an issue to use until 1jan2015....

Broadcasting is offlimits by 1jan2015, thats how it is and most isboxer users have already adjusted. We all have to adapted to not break the rules, we are players who are dedicated to this game just like anyone else in here. We asked what was allowed and what was not, so your definition of a cheat wasn't shared by ccp. Until last week they said it that some functions would be a bannable offense because of reasons and thats it.
So, isboxer has been used for years and ccp knew this,isbox users themselve brought up the issues and asked ccp directly if they could use it. Most of the isboxer users wouldn't have used the program ( wich isn't free) if ccp said it wasn't allowed. Nobody is going to fork up 3years of subscription for a program when its going to get you banned... we still play this game to enjoy it...

Anyway, CCP changed their opinion and so we all have to adapt and not break game rules starting at 1jan2015 if people still use broadcasting with isboxer then ccp has everyright to ban them... the warning was send well in advance and this is appreciated.

So please stop making up bullshit about what is what and how it works and how to make it work. You just want to demonize other eve players who might have an addiction... or just enjoy the game more when using multiple clients at the same time... while they had the seal of approval by ccp. All functions that are not allowed as of 1jan2015 are going to be removed... simple... until ccp change their mind again ;)


It's easier to just all follow the rules set by ccp, and stop bitching about what you "believe" is allowed and what not. When something isn't clear, just write a petition with your question and ask for a direct answer -> we isboxer users did this multiple time and played the game within the rules at that time.
It makes for a more fun game, less shitforumpost and less misinformation.

I'll see you in space, while multiboxing
* bombing with 20 bombers not using multibroadcasting - F1 decloak F2 bomb *W*button to warp to preselected object -alt tab for next bomber.
* ganking with tornades shooting 1 sec apart cuz prelock from broadcast - F1 - alt tab for next
* mining with 20 skiffs and dragging cans every 20min on each client
* doing WH escalations using only my own alts and pull billions a week when no friends are online and pvp when they are...
* doing multiple carrier/ishtar/whatever ship available for anomolies in null
* etc etc..

O7 Fungu

Is it? Really? Do you honestly believe this is going to do anything for balance? Mining will still be peasant work, incursions will still be farmed and bombers will still be overpowered. The only thing that will changes is that a bunch of players that spends all day crying about how multiboxers are the reason they suck will now need to find a new excuse.

This fantasy that there will suddenly be ice belts a plenty for all of these solo players is wishful thinking from the uninformed.

We are aware that these things are still going to happen, But these things are the reason why people "hate" isboxer and so.. we dont use the functions to show we dont need it to do the things people hate...

CCP allows things because this is ALT ONLINE - power of 2 ftw... why bother setting up the global hotkeys when the next pitchfork mob is going to demonize eve players just because they "believe" it is a cheating thing....

i wasn't trolling.

i wrote a nice poem, that took me like 5 or 10 minutes to write, and responded to people that had definitely instigated more annoyance in the eve universe than there could have possibly been since botting started in this game. albeit some might perceive what i wrote as trolling, it very much so was not.

i see the people constantly trying to tell us that this program or group of programs that allows them to pilot one ship and have it act like 15 to 80 ships is very much so within the realm of something feasable as more trolling than anything, it really is. they are trolling the crap out of us right now, and hence the 94 pages of it. the stuff is all over reddit, facebook, twitter, it's everywhere, they are upset. they can't pilot 15 ships and do it without the use of another program, and are now upset because the ruling has finally been passed down that is stopping what was merely a loophole that has now been closed.

again, a loophole that has been closed. this happens in law throughout many countries all over the world. the way the world perceives the law and how the law is handled are two different things. sometimes loopholes exist and until the laws are written properly, the loopholes are taken advantage of.

this would be considered one of those.

i guess ill have to save my poem somewhere else.. :(

and to the guy that asked me why i quoted him, it was because u were saying the same thing i was, i was talking to the other people you quoted in that quote, so don't get upset, it wasn't u i was talking to. u just quoted like 3 or 4 people and they needed to be addressed.

they are the trolls, the ones upset about this whole movement cloning loophole being closed finally. a cheat in other words that i would rather call it a cheat, botting basically, or scripting. a macro. anything that allows your computer to respond to commands or something you dont have to physically do multiple times that the game doesnt have it built in, that's where they are coming from and they had to figure out a way around it without being invasive to everyone's machines. they have figured out a server side way of doing it and a way to word it to close the loophole.

thank god.

You realise EVE is a low input game, right? Even without key broadcasting most multiboxers will continue to run exactly as they have done before. Controlling 20 miners manually isn't difficult. The hardest part is making them all run smoothly, which ISBoxer does by controlling their hardware usage when they are inactive, which will still be the main reason people continue to use ISBoxer (and is not a banned feature). I for one can't wait for January 1st to roll round and for you guys to still see massive fleets of 20-30 miners stripping out icebelts and watch you come crawling back here saying "it didn't work CCP!", complaining about whatever the next thing you want banned.

And no, this was not a "loophole". CCP have explicitly stated in the past that input broadcasting is not automation, and that as long as someone clicked once for one click, it didn't matter how many clients that even hit. So this is a rule change, not a closure of a loophole.

You cant stop the pitchforks with logic and facts... but i will enjoy local rants and tears after 1jan2015 same as you ;)

More people need to have the balls to do this. Lately it really does seem that CCPs direction is "solve issues that whining carebears complain about" and it's completely understandable why people don't want to stick around to watch that trainwreck, but not enough people actually biomass and say "**** you CCP".

Using software confirmed by CCP explicitly as being within the rules is not cheating. No matter how many times you say it won't make it fact.