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Features already available in other MMOs that EVE doesnt have.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#41 - 2014-11-27 09:58:47 UTC
Poje wrote:
#1 : not true, go see.


EVE has a renaming service, cost is one plex

Poje wrote:
#2 : not true, u can only remodel your toon lookwise, but cant change Race or Sex.


The character creator has the name for a reason. You create a character. You do not solve your personal issues with it.

Poje wrote:
#3 : Dont agree, since i saw in plenty of games, nothing bad can come from that.


Fine, don't. I know that everything bad will come from that, more commenly know as pay to win.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-11-27 19:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
If skill reallocation required taking a loss of 25% of total SP, it wouldn't be a common occurrence. The main reason anyone would do it would probably be to sell a character with an unpopular skill setup. I could have sold Darksteel Rifter for a higher price at a 25% SP loss if I had aligned his skills into a specific type as opposed to the general setup he had, for example. But by and large, that would only be used for correcting very grave mistakes.

If you could respec at 25% loss, then a character could be sold for the value of 75% of their SP allocatable any way the buyer wants.

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Helios Panala
#43 - 2014-11-27 22:29:17 UTC
One thing I will add is that name changing being a big deal because your name is your rep doesn't make a great deal of sense when we're all running around with multiple characters and quite a few of us with multiple accounts plus the ability to buy characters.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-11-27 22:51:55 UTC
I think it's good to force characters to maintain their reputation, but a name history can easily be implemented to let you know who someone really is.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#45 - 2014-11-28 01:06:04 UTC
Why do people always seem to think that because X MMO has something, EVE needs it too?

Stop being such a godsdamned lemming.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#46 - 2014-11-28 02:19:24 UTC
Poje wrote:




#3 : Dont agree, since i saw in plenty of games, nothing bad can come from that.



Get it through your thick head!!!!!!!

This is EvE....not other games.
Now go sit in the corner and think about the stupidity of you proposal.
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#47 - 2014-11-28 12:35:27 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:

Oh dear, I seem to have gotten lost... this isn't the one line bad idea thread.


Exchangeable space pets I can collect and then release just like drones in space. They follow me, have no influence on what I do, just look cute. I am pretty sure I would spend some isk on at least one of them. Twisted
Poje
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-11-28 16:48:23 UTC
I see that many of you didnt even read my last post.

Let me make it clearer, by listing something that is already in EVE that counter any opposition on a certain feature :

- Name Change = Character transfer = Corp History

How can you oppose Name change when you can transfer a Character to another person and that you can see his Corp history ?

If someone would buy my toon, unless i say so, you couldnt know its not me playing it and a guy could spy or do even worst.

If someone would change the name of his toon, you would still see his Corp history. That's not counting the proposition i made for a "Formaly known has..." precision.

- Sex/Race change = Cloning

EVE has clones. What stops you in a futur world of jumping in the clone of a Khanid Women ?

Even in 2014 peeps change name, sex, ect...

- Skill respec = Neural remap = Already done in the past

You guys remember the Training Skill ?

CCP just put all the SPs in a Bank and you could just re-invest them where you wanted.

We have Neural remaps, lol, is that any more realistic or game changing then respec of Skills ? No.


Take the time to read and understand it.


Have a good day.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-11-28 16:55:40 UTC
Poje wrote:
I see that many of you didnt even read my last post.

Let me make it clearer, by listing something that is already in EVE that counter any opposition on a certain feature :

- Name Change = Character transfer = Corp History

How can you oppose Name change when you can transfer a Character to another person and that you can see his Corp history ?

If someone would buy my toon, unless i say so, you couldnt know its not me playing it and a guy could spy or do even worst.

If someone would change the name of his toon, you would still see his Corp history. That's not counting the proposition i made for a "Formaly known has..." precision.

- Sex/Race change = Cloning

EVE has clones. What stops you in a futur world of jumping in the clone of a Khanid Women ?

Even in 2014 peeps change name, sex, ect...

- Skill respec = Neural remap = Already done in the past

You guys remember the Training Skill ?

CCP just put all the SPs in a Bank and you could just re-invest them where you wanted.

We have Neural remaps, lol, is that any more realistic or game changing then respec of Skills ? No.


Take the time to read and understand it.


Have a good day.


I read it first time round and disliked all ideas just as much as all the times they've come up in the past! Eve has been around a long time as have the ther MMO's you refer too. If Eve doesn't have the features from other MMO's it is because CCP don't *want* them (along with the majority of responders to such threads).
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#50 - 2014-11-28 18:11:10 UTC
Poje wrote:
How can you oppose Name change when you can transfer a Character to another person and that you can see his Corp history ?

Because corp history...

- is involved in a process that isn't so time sensitive (corp recruitment).

- is fairly meaningless beyond "lots of corps, possibly unreliable."
Just because you were part of ___ corp, it does not mean you are ___ type of player (example: I have an industrial corp in my history and I'm as bloodthirsty as they come).

The name of a person carries more weight because they are directly responsible for their own actions.

Poje wrote:
If someone would buy my toon, unless i say so, you couldnt know its not me playing it and a guy could spy or do even worst.

True. But when you buy a character you are also buying that character's reputation. You may not be able to spy or "do worse" because the new character you bought was already used by a AWOXer or corp thief.

That's the risk.

Poje wrote:
- Skill respec = Neural remap = Already done in the past

You guys remember the Training Skill ?

CCP just put all the SPs in a Bank and you could just re-invest them where you wanted.

No.

CCP has never given out skillpoints for anything other than the removal of a skill from the game itself (except for those few times the server went down for more than a day).

Learning Skills were an example of this. They were detrimental to the game itself, offered no realistic choices other than "you must train this to be 'optimal'" and so they were removed from the game and reimbursed.


Poje wrote:
We have Neural remaps, lol, is that any more realistic or game changing then respec of Skills ? No.

Yes. Because a Neural Remap won't give you optimal training for ALL skills.
By putting points in some attributes, you extend the training time for other skills that aren't affected by those attributes. It is a choice that you have to plan around and make tradeoffs with.

A skill respec only takes raw skillpoint totals into account. You train up memory and intelligence related skills (because your attributes are min/maxed for that) for a year and then respec... the raw skillpoints can then be applied to any skill regardless of their attributes or rank teirs (because only the points themselves matter).

How did you Veterans start?
Zepheros Naeonis
TinklePee
#51 - 2014-11-28 20:01:28 UTC
Poje wrote:
- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)

Absolutely not.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-11-28 22:20:44 UTC
So you know, this HAS been discussed with CCP

See summer minutes page 40

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf

Personally I have an issue with Name change as it is what you do and your paper trail. I am ok with race/face/gender change, if we can clone we can tinker with the biomass stuff before inserting brain thinking stuff

I am adamantly against respec of skills.

You are the decisions you made and the history you have formed.

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Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#53 - 2014-11-28 23:27:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Daichi Yamato
Helios Panala wrote:
One thing I will add is that name changing being a big deal because your name is your rep doesn't make a great deal of sense when we're all running around with multiple characters and quite a few of us with multiple accounts plus the ability to buy characters.


except theres intel and history for them too.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-11-29 05:05:05 UTC
Poje wrote:
- Name Change = Character transfer = Corp History

Yes.

Poje wrote:
- Sex/Race change = Cloning

Yes.

Poje wrote:
- Skill respec = Neural remap = Already done in the past

No.

With a neural remap, you still have to train new skills. With skill respec, you can instantly train skills by spending SP you have already spent and likely used elsewhere.

I am not opposed to a respec option with a hefty SP loss, but call it what it is and don't try to mask it as equivalent to neural remap.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-11-29 07:26:48 UTC
You can find if a character has been sold through forum searching, though I understand this is an unutilized tool to the op from the three redundant ideas.

The only allowed way to exchange a character is for isk on the character bazzar forum. These are archived allowing you to find said information via the forum search tool. Try it. Really, it doesn't bite.

If you choose to name a character something you later regret, or choose to buy a character with a name you don't like, or choose a race you later regret, or choose to train skills you later regret...

Notice a pattern yet? Perhaps the responsibility of choice and the consequences of those actions? I recognize an attempt to distance ones self from personal responsibility. "Other games do this..." Is a very poor justification indeed.

On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-11-29 07:29:27 UTC
Poje wrote:
- Name Change = Character transfer = Corp History

How can you oppose Name change when you can transfer a Character to another person and that you can see his Corp history ?

If someone would buy my toon, unless i say so, you couldnt know its not me playing it and a guy could spy or do even worst.

In general, if someone buys your character, there is still a paper trail on the forums.

Your name and your corp history means that, if need be, I can contact someone in that corp and ask about you.

If, however, you've changed your name, then none of this is available. You can't search the forums to see if the character has been put up for sale, and no one in the character's past corporations has any clue who you are talking about.

So the name change should be absolutely off limits.
Sigras
Conglomo
#57 - 2014-11-29 11:27:52 UTC
Poje wrote:
I see that many of you didnt even read my last post.

Let me make it clearer, by listing something that is already in EVE that counter any opposition on a certain feature :

- Name Change = Character transfer = Corp History

How can you oppose Name change when you can transfer a Character to another person and that you can see his Corp history ?

If someone would buy my toon, unless i say so, you couldnt know its not me playing it and a guy could spy or do even worst.

If someone would change the name of his toon, you would still see his Corp history. That's not counting the proposition i made for a "Formaly known has..." precision.

a few notes on this.
#1 selling a toon does not help me infiltrate a group I want to spy on,
#2 neither does buying one from the character bazaar because everyone and their sister checks the character bazaar before admitting anyone into any serious corp.
#3 trading a character does not allow one to become unrecognizable the way a name change would. This could cost you precious seconds in figuring out that the guy you're facing is the same guy with the same skills from yesterday just with a different name. (And yes people would do this just to get an edge)
Poje wrote:
- Sex/Race change = Cloning

EVE has clones. What stops you in a futur world of jumping in the clone of a Khanid Women ?

Even in 2014 peeps change name, sex, ect...

This I have less of a problem with, but again changing recognition... there's just no reason for this. You invented a solution looking for a problem
Poje wrote:
- Skill respec = Neural remap = Already done in the past

You guys remember the Training Skill ?

CCP just put all the SPs in a Bank and you could just re-invest them where you wanted.

We have Neural remaps, lol, is that any more realistic or game changing then respec of Skills ? No.

Take the time to read and understand it.

Have a good day.

The United States endorsed slavery in the past, that doesnt make it any less of a moronic idea. Just because CCP implemented a terrible one time fix to an even more terrible Training Skill system doesnt mean they should EVER do that again.

This is the thing I have the biggest problem with because it does effect consequence and choice... namely it removes those aspects of the game.

Sid Meier once said that "A game is a series of interesting choices" - now if none of those choices have any kind of lasting effect you end up with a shallow stupid game with no replay value (See diablo 2 vs diablo 3).

Let me tell you exactly what would happen since you seem not to be able to figure it out yourself. Characters would stop training after 30-40 million SP, they would wait to see whatever the meta was and immediately switch to be able to fly that perfectly. Since diversity would be gone, the other parts of the market would suffer. There would be even less divisions of labor than there are now because everyone could instantly respec to produce/invent the most popular items in game and the entire game would become one large meta-mill, rolling through meta after meta as the game balance changes came through.
Poje
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-11-29 12:25:56 UTC
The one thing that seem to bother you guys the most is the SP respec and many of you brought good points.

Im sure CCP could implement this w/o any troubles by making it a more structured feature, like this :

- Just a one time thing.

- For Characters 3 years or older.

They could implement in a way that wouldnt affect the game per say, but would help those who want to do it.

And don't forget that, for exemple, i played the game for almost 8 years and i have X number of SPs. I have that number and it took all that time to have. If i would respec, that wouldnt change my amount of SPs and the time it took to get them and that's the important aspect here.




Thx.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-11-29 13:00:05 UTC
Poje wrote:
And don't forget that, for exemple, i played the game for almost 8 years and i have X number of SPs. I have that number and it took all that time to have. If i would respec, that wouldnt change my amount of SPs and the time it took to get them and that's the important aspect here.

No it isn't. You can buy a lot of SP on the character bazaar.

Put a limit on how often it can be done? Makes sense.

Only available to older characters? No, let's at least make an effort not to uphold Malcanis' Law.

But the most important restriction for SP reallocation is that you should lose a large chunk of the total SP. I say 25%.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-11-29 13:53:57 UTC
I'm opposed to any sp reallocation personally but would definitely say that any form of remap for a loss of sp is a non-starter ss it would lead to more and more calls to extend it further and furthrr. Skill queu and sp is fine as it is, if you don't want your current skill sell the char and buy another. Since the skills you chose over time don't matter then neither should the character you play!