Ships & Modules

Amarr cruisers are gimped.

My Crucifier has the same amount of mid-slots as my Arbitrator.

My Executioner has the same amount of mid-slots as my Omen or my Maller.

Amarr is the only race with this deficiency.

But yeah wtf you need mids for? Prop, point, web and a utility one. Wtf you need more mids for ever???

Biggest problem I see with amarr cruisers is that the Maller and Omen are too much alike.
I don't like the capacitor gun bonus on the omen and would rather have it get a bigger capacitor and this bonus replaced with something cooler.

Or maybe have one turned into a drone boat like the Dragoon or Prophecy, but there is already the Arbitrator that isn't really a combat ship and not really an Ewar ship.

Amarr lineup need to be completely rewamped imo.

There is nothing wrong with the amarr cruisers. The only think that should be changed is upping the damage modifier on med pulses abit (and maybe tone done scorch M in the process to keep it balanced). The hulls themselves are pretty much fine

Omen and Maller have the same slot layout and use the same weapon system.

Can't nerf diversity any more.

And the Thorax, Vexor, Rupture and Stabber all have 4 mid slots and are all arguably armor tanking ships.

the Caldari versions all have 5 mid slots.

Now I wouldn't mind if Amarr ships actually had ways to work around this deficiency, but it seems to be that all the aforementioned cruisers simply out-class the Amarr versions.

Have you actually, like in going into PvP in a 1v1 Cruiser duel or smilar, have you actually flown Amarr Cruisers?

If yes, why do you think they are in a bad shape?
I could understand that, if the Amarr Cruisers had 2 Mid-Slots, they'd be horrible.
But they have 3, or in the case of the Arbitrator, 4 midslots. Which is what you want. More mids would mean less lows.
Do you want less Lowslots on the Amarr Cruisers? I don't think so.

I can tell you that the Omen is currently one of the top-notch cruisers.
I can tell you that the Arbitrator has been and still is a good cruiser.

I can tell you that the only other Cruisers that can compare to the Omen are the Thorax and the Vexor, and this is not because of their midslots, but because of the sheer DPS they can potentially mount on such a cheap cruiser hull.
I'd actually LOVE the Thorax to have another Lowslot. This would very likely put it in a better Place than the Omen is right now.


Also, with your argument of 'Maller is like Omen, same thing, one's a bit tankier, one's a bit faster'

Well, Thorax and Vexor are the same, too. One's a bit more Hybrid DPS, one's a bit more Drone DPS.
The Rupture and the Stabber are the same, too. One sucks and is fast, the other sucks and is slow.
The only real diversity in T1 Cruiser hulls can be seen at the Caldari, because they're a mixed weapons race.




TL;DR

Omen is cool, touch it and i take a NOmen and shove it up your rear.

I have flown all the Amarr cruisers in pvp.

I think that the Omen or Maller in a 1v1 situation stand next to no chance against a Thorax, Vexor or Rupture if the pilots are similarly skilled.

The first problem is the lack of range control. All the cruisers you will face have 1 more mid slots than you do. Basically, you can kiss your range control goodbye. They will either have more webs than you, or the same webs and a cap booster or whatever else.

On top of that you cannot reliably brawl against other cruisers, for one thing ships like the Stabber Rupture and Vexor all get utility high slots and often fit energy neutralizers. Well you can counter that with a cap booster but then you don't have a single web so again you are a sitting duck. You don't get a tracking bonus or anything with the Omen either, alll you get is capacitor use bonus so you are basically ******.

Scorch is the main thing keeping Amarr ships competitive.

The thing that mainly proves my point is when you look at ship progression. When you go from a frigate hull to a cruiser hull you should expect to gain more slots. With every other race if you go from frigate to cruiser, you gain a mid slot. Incursus to Thorax, 3 mids to 4. Tristan to Vexor, 3 mids to 4, rifter to rupture, 3 mids to 4, the Slasher is somehow a special case with 4 mid slots and then progressing to a Stabber which also has 4 mid slots.

I'm not saying that some Minmatar ships don't need to be tweaked either; I'm sure some of them probably need to be looked at.

But I think Amarr cruisers are gimped.

Navy Omen, dead sexy. I say no more.

Those are not strictly their roles

Calling a laser ship a short range brawler simply because it has a resist bonus and is slow as **** with no range control ?

By the way, the Maller actually can't reliably brawl with the other cruisers because of **** range control and / or crap damage and projection / reliance on capacitor.

Calling the Omen the best kiting Tech 1 simply because Scorch is literally the only reason worth flying it ?

Hey, look, I can roll my eyes too!