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EVE and Mac OS X 10.10????

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addelee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-11-12 16:53:00 UTC
Does anyone have issues with shortcut keys not working? For example, fittings window when docked? Mine just refuse to work.


Also, I found another issue whereby if you run Avast Antivirus, it will prevent session changes more often than not and therefore you just get stuck. I've removed Avast and have zero issues anymore.

Enrique d'Ancourt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-11-24 14:11:45 UTC
I believe not all stations have fitting available.
Hugh Knight
Scordite Syndicate
Raravathian Mining and Logistics
#43 - 2014-11-25 18:29:20 UTC
Hi Guys,

Just wanted to update all the mac users on info i have found.

First of all I had eve working for over a month on 10.10 fine but i did notice the new os made things a bit slower, frame rate and speed of loading.

anyway i started up eve one night and nothing it just would not work. i tried....

App nap trick
Zap the P-Ram
Cleared the cache on the client
Run the Mac repair tool
Uninstalled eve and did a fresh download and install.

Still the same issue......

At this point being an Network and Security engineer i hit it with my full suite of tools and found all sorts of issues like the client starting but no packets for eve on the wire i could go in to real indepth captures and explain them but you will just end up having nose bleeds like i did.

so at this point things are not adding up DNS lookup from eve client iare working but no packets after. so i hit the apple forums (yes i feel dirty)

anyway Eve is not the only game having issues there are many many accounts on the forums ranting.

I also found a gem of a guy (not going to mention his name) who stated 10.10 is beta and based on proc dumps you can see all sorts of process's crashing the last one apple annouced they fixed was dropbox running this can cause it to go skynet and stop random network services. and system process.

so after this i though well maybe i had a corrupt update from apple as i do run some really random crap on my machine due to work so i did a complete clean install of 10.10 and the game did not work.

i went through the very boring process of rolling back to mavericks (10.9) and not only does it work i can confirm the game is 100% stable for me although i still had to do the app nap fix to stop eve instances going to sleep when multiboxing. but all in all the Frame rate is higher and the graphics are cleaner.

So not any real fix here other than do not use an OS that Eve does not yet support and where apple have ironed out all the bent code. i feel like i am running windows with the lack of support i got from apple.

a final note is apple are due to release a new OS on the 24th of Dec. do not use this if you wish to play eve and get support from the Devs. Check which OS are supported before writing a complaint to the devs.


Cliverunner
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-11-26 20:44:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cliverunner
I have a late 2009 27" iMac running 10.10.1 and EVE does not really work. I can log in and do things in stations no problem (i.e. my station trader is doing fine). The problem starts when I try to undock. About 80% of the time the client freezes...sort of. The space environment loads and all my windows appear to be working...your only indication that something is wrong is when you try to activate a module or warp somewhere or well...anything. The module buttons appear to be "pressed" but they don't activate. The voice come on to say "Warp Drive Active", but you don't actually move. You can bring up the "escape" menu, but pressing quit, just closes the window...you don't quit. The only way to fix it is to "force quit" the application and log back in. In that case, the system loads and works fine about 80% of the time. Of course, once you dock then undock, it screws up again.

It is very odd to me that with over 6 months to get ready for 10.10 they don't seem to have any kind of plan to support it yet. One would think that they would at lease be able to say if they are working on it or not.

For my part, I will be upgrading to a 5K iMac sometime this winter and I plan to play EVE on Windows (via boot camp). I haven't been all that active in the last several months. Of course now that I know its not working, I want to play again. Oh well.
Trodonmydog deVille
Hurts When I PvP
#45 - 2014-11-27 18:44:53 UTC
Just to add my two cents worth.

I'm running OS X Yosemite 10.10.1 and the game is pretty much unplayable.
I have resorted to playing with no sound as it seems to be a little more stable for me. However, I constantly get lockups/freezes/crashes. Playing windowed and full screen.

Can't force quit either. I've lost count the amount of times I've had to do a cold boot of the machine Sad

I'm seriously contemplating rolling back to Mavericks. Just need to back up the machine now.
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-11-28 14:21:53 UTC
Hi all

I've been having the same issues with constant freezing, crashing and exceptions in Yosemite. I didn't try running for a few days, and when I launched today and allowed the launcher to install the latest patch it all seemed to be working fine. Any others now running ok on Yosemite?
Cliverunner
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-11-29 03:28:29 UTC
Logan Sollette wrote:
Hi all

I've been having the same issues with constant freezing, crashing and exceptions in Yosemite. I didn't try running for a few days, and when I launched today and allowed the launcher to install the latest patch it all seemed to be working fine. Any others now running ok on Yosemite?



No change for me...same problems on undock.
Tertius Caedes
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-11-29 10:02:18 UTC
I use Yosemite 10.10.1 and i have daily freezes. Always in Ally ops. Very annoying. And i cba to change my OS because of a Videogame.
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-11-30 11:34:42 UTC
Looks like I spoke too soon - the problem has returned for me too. CCP have confirmed in a response to a support ticket that they have not made any changes which would improve performance on Yosemite.

What I have found is that disabling audio completely makes a significant difference. In fact, it has made the client completely stable for me. I have also turned all of the graphics options to minimum, so I was unsure whether this was causing the improvement. However, when I re-enabled audio the instability came back, even with the graphics still on minimum. I haven't yet set the graphics back to high quality as I'm mining right now, but I will try this and report back. I'm wondering if any other pilots have had success by disabling audio?
Sub Saissore
RedDragon's
#50 - 2014-12-01 03:46:44 UTC
o7 -

Just to reiterate what has already been stated, my Eve client continues to crash randomly during gameplay after my upgrade to Yosemite 10.10.1.

I have sent the crash report to Apple as well as have the data sent to CCP checked so they should be getting these data reports. Hoping for a fix soon!

Also, the crash can take place within seconds of starting the client to several hours into gameplay, seemingly at random. At times, the entire Mac will restart. This is a 2011 iMac.
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-12-01 10:00:29 UTC
@Sub Saissore
I am also running under Yosemite on a 2011 iMac. Does it make any difference to you if you disable audio?
Hugh Knight
Scordite Syndicate
Raravathian Mining and Logistics
#52 - 2014-12-01 10:43:44 UTC
Hi Guys,

I see many people are still having issue regarding 10.10.

First thing.
Yosemite is not supported by CCP. now that is out of the way.

poor performance is due to Yosemite using beta drivers for graphics this i can confirm on my 2014 mac, this is probably the same reason for crap sound too but i never had any issues with sound when i had it running.

If your mac is freezing up look up app nap fix for app in 10.8 + in a nut shell you need to exclude some parts of the eve client from going in to app nap.

to all you guys that say it is working fine on Yosemite, it is just a matter of time before it stops working, i had 10.10 running from the day it was released and it was about 4 weeks in when eve stopped running i have a dedicated mac to run eve and work from a different mac for my job so the only thing installed on it is eve so there is no conflict with apps.

If you can roll back to mavericks it is stable (this takes about 2 hours) i run over 6 clients at the same time and no issues, even getting the test server works fine on Mavericks.

If you want me to post the app nap email me or just search youtube some chappys did a nice vid on how to do it.

:D
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-12-01 15:38:50 UTC
I have had huge success getting Eve to run under Yosemite using Winebottler:

http://winebottler.kronenberg.org

I used the development version because it specifies Yosemite support. It's easy to download and install Winebottler:

1. Download the Windows version if the Eve installer, and I also downloaded the offline installer files.
2. When you run Winebottler, select the Advanced tab.
3. Then click on "select file" and choose the Eve installer .exe file.
4. Tick the "self contained" box.
5. Leave all the other options as default and hit Install.
6. Pick a location for the app, enter "EVE" as the filename, and press Save.
7. The app will be created, and then the Eve installer will pop up. Click through the default installer options and wait for Eve to be installed inside the self-contained wine app.
8. You will be prompted to select the startfile (the programme which is executed when you double click the app). Click on the dropdown menu and select "Program Files/CCP/EVE/launcher/launcher.exe". Press OK
9. You should get a message saying "prefix created successfully"
10. Press OK and quit the Winebottler app
11. Go to the location where you saved the EVE app. It will have a default icon. Double click the icon.
12. I had a problem where I saw a message saying 'Preparing "EVE"' with "Copying prefix" at the bottom, and the message would not go. If this happens to you, force quit the app and it should continue running. On subsequent occasions this should not happen


Beyond this, run Eve just as you normally would. I've been running in a window with audio enabled and graphics on full quality. The game has been faster than CCP's Cider port of Eve for the Mac, and significantly more stable. I got lockups a couple of times per day even under Mavericks, but this doesn't seem to happen at all running under Wine.

Hope that helps some other pilots out there!
The Ludocrat
The Ludocracy
#54 - 2014-12-04 04:29:45 UTC
I think the EVE Mac community deserves an Official Update on this topic. Yosemite builds have been available to Devs since the Summer. Plenty of time to identify issues and communicate a plan of some sort.
Enrique d'Ancourt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-12-04 10:53:00 UTC
Logan Sollette wrote:
I have had huge success getting Eve to run under Yosemite using Winebottler:

http://winebottler.kronenberg.org

... snip ...

Beyond this, run Eve just as you normally would. I've been running in a window with audio enabled and graphics on full quality. The game has been faster than CCP's Cider port of Eve for the Mac, and significantly more stable. I got lockups a couple of times per day even under Mavericks, but this doesn't seem to happen at all running under Wine.

Hope that helps some other pilots out there!


I'm going to try this when I get home. Will report back after testing.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#56 - 2014-12-06 20:15:19 UTC
Hugh Knight wrote:
Hi Guys,

I see many people are still having issue regarding 10.10.

First thing.
Yosemite is not supported by CCP. now that is out of the way.

poor performance is due to Yosemite using beta drivers for graphics this i can confirm on my 2014 mac, this is probably the same reason for crap sound too but i never had any issues with sound when i had it running.

If your mac is freezing up look up app nap fix for app in 10.8 + in a nut shell you need to exclude some parts of the eve client from going in to app nap.

to all you guys that say it is working fine on Yosemite, it is just a matter of time before it stops working, i had 10.10 running from the day it was released and it was about 4 weeks in when eve stopped running i have a dedicated mac to run eve and work from a different mac for my job so the only thing installed on it is eve so there is no conflict with apps.

If you can roll back to mavericks it is stable (this takes about 2 hours) i run over 6 clients at the same time and no issues, even getting the test server works fine on Mavericks.

If you want me to post the app nap email me or just search youtube some chappys did a nice vid on how to do it.

:D



If you show info on the EVE Apps (might need another step) there is a prevent App Nap option that you can check mark.

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Sir Gankal0t
5th Element Incorporated
Corelum Syndicate
#57 - 2014-12-06 21:47:04 UTC
Im running a Mac (27-inch, Mid 2011) 3,1 GHz Intel Core i5 16 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024 MB
Os 10.10.1 Yosemite and no problems here even running TQ and Sisi in one session.
I know it sucks when yr Mac /Pc is not doing what you want.
But my advise is keep it simple dont use a ton of Apps and run Eve at the same time........
Melrick Aubaris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-12-08 22:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Melrick Aubaris
Do NOT UPDATE YET! Yosemite has turned Eve into a crashfest on my iMac...
It looks like my setup is quite similar to Sir Gankalot's, even the model year of the iMac
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-12-09 12:10:10 UTC
Sir Gankal0t wrote:
Im running a Mac (27-inch, Mid 2011) 3,1 GHz Intel Core i5 16 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024 MB
Os 10.10.1 Yosemite and no problems here even running TQ and Sisi in one session.
I know it sucks when yr Mac /Pc is not doing what you want.
But my advise is keep it simple dont use a ton of Apps and run Eve at the same time........

I think memory plays a big part. I'm also on a Mid 2011 iMac, but only have 4GB of RAM and a 512MB graphics card. The page fault exceptions which pop up seem to point to a memory issue. So you're probably right about trying not to have too much open when running Eve, but on my iMac at least, it didn't seem to make any difference at all. The only way I can run now is through the Windows version running in Winebottler, but as I said in my post above this actually works better than the official Mac client ever did anyway, even under Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks.
Enrique d'Ancourt
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-12-09 21:15:26 UTC
With Rhea just a few days away, I decided to wait that out and perform the wine bottling operation on the new update.
I used a freshly downloaded windows version of EVE, the three offline install files.

I must say, it actually works like a gem. No troubles anymore with changing the sound and getting the freeze from Eve.

Up till now two caveats detected:

#1 The two AMD FirePro D700's in my Mac Pro are shown as a single (!) ATI Radeon X1600 under emulation.
#2 Minimising a windowed game ruins the background when un-minimising.

Further testing is underway, will report here later.