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Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-11-28 15:05:05 UTC
as i belive they are called in wow.

It would be nice to have something like this available a few places in hi sec. Maybe in the form of harmless, imortal sleepers of different sizes flying around. That way players (especially newer), can get a feeling of fighting and preparing for pvp, testing fttings and so on, without having to do missions.

Thoughts?

A
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#2 - 2014-11-28 15:27:24 UTC
There is a test server available called singularity. You can use that for all your training purposes.
Also, some good advice, don't use phrases like "in wow", people react badly to those kinds of things
TheExtruder
TheExtruder Corporation
#3 - 2014-11-28 15:38:59 UTC
I think you want to keep the public high sec places as clean as possible, but if you really want NPC in highsec it would almost have to be one of the incursion npc's that has been too damaged to fire back.

I think the better alternative to target dummies would be a cheap replica of the ship you want, it will get same EHP as the real deal and it would explode in glorious fashion, could also be a great way to bait people into joining the fight
Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-28 15:41:11 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
There is a test server available called singularity. You can use that for all your training purposes.
Also, some good advice, don't use phrases like "in wow", people react badly to those kinds of things


Thanks for the reply. True enough what you say about the test server. However, It seems like implementing something like i mentioned would be easy enough for CCP. Minimal effort. And it would make testing fittings etc easier. Add a fee and we can also get another moneysink. As the value of isk seem to be sinking, another moneysink can only be good.

As for the wow reference... Im sure many people here have tried wow at one point, and therefore know what i mean when i refer to "training dummies". This is the reason why i used the reference. We all play Eve, for a reason.

A
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#5 - 2014-11-28 15:47:30 UTC
You'd actually be dead wrong if you think shooting a harmless, immortal target is a good way to test a fit. Mainly because, this isn't WoW. Fittings in eve HAVE to be tested in battle. It's not just a question of activating your mods and that's it (only exception, pve missions).
Not only that, but you need the personal skill too. Proper kiting is pretty hard to do, and something you won't learn plinking away at a static target. Trust me, the test server is a much better alternative.
Adolph Weltschmerz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-11-28 16:01:51 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
You'd actually be dead wrong if you think shooting a harmless, immortal target is a good way to test a fit. Mainly because, this isn't WoW. Fittings in eve HAVE to be tested in battle. It's not just a question of activating your mods and that's it (only exception, pve missions).
Not only that, but you need the personal skill too. Proper kiting is pretty hard to do, and something you won't learn plinking away at a static target. Trust me, the test server is a much better alternative.


ok ok... im not suggesting to remove the test server. This is simply a suggestion for a small addition. And i do agree with you that neither fittings, nor anything else can be fully testet in this way. Pvp in eve is not easy. And it takes a lot of player skill, not just character skillpoints.

However there are things that can be tested against harmless, immortal targets. Tracking, cap use, more optimal speed/distance/angles etc... And it seemed very easy to implement from a game design/coding pov.

A
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#7 - 2014-11-28 16:03:17 UTC
also can we have it so that when we die we can run to a spawn point and get all our stuff back for free like in wow too! :D
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-11-28 16:12:17 UTC
Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:
as i belive they are called in wow.

It would be nice to have something like this available a few places in hi sec. Maybe in the form of harmless, imortal sleepers of different sizes flying around. That way players (especially newer), can get a feeling of fighting and preparing for pvp, testing fttings and so on, without having to do missions.

Thoughts?

A



they are called Ivy league.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Iain Cariaba
#9 - 2014-11-28 16:21:36 UTC
Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:
as i belive they are called in wow.

It would be nice to have something like this available a few places in hi sec. Maybe in the form of harmless, imortal sleepers of different sizes flying around. That way players (especially newer), can get a feeling of fighting and preparing for pvp, testing fttings and so on, without having to do missions.

Thoughts?

A

This already exists. They are called miners and mission runners. While not immortal, they fit the rest of the description pretty well.
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#10 - 2014-11-28 16:56:19 UTC
Good point right there ^^
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#11 - 2014-11-28 19:15:23 UTC
Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
You'd actually be dead wrong if you think shooting a harmless, immortal target is a good way to test a fit. Mainly because, this isn't WoW. Fittings in eve HAVE to be tested in battle. It's not just a question of activating your mods and that's it (only exception, pve missions).
Not only that, but you need the personal skill too. Proper kiting is pretty hard to do, and something you won't learn plinking away at a static target. Trust me, the test server is a much better alternative.


ok ok... im not suggesting to remove the test server. This is simply a suggestion for a small addition. And i do agree with you that neither fittings, nor anything else can be fully testet in this way. Pvp in eve is not easy. And it takes a lot of player skill, not just character skillpoints.

However there are things that can be tested against harmless, immortal targets. Tracking, cap use, more optimal speed/distance/angles etc... And it seemed very easy to implement from a game design/coding pov.

A


For that, you can use tools such as eft or pyfa, whatever floats your boat
Takashi Jin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-29 00:34:33 UTC
buy a ship hull and abandon it in space..... or use rats as your test.. this is not wow.
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-11-29 09:40:45 UTC
Do you people feel some sense of magnificence when you say stuff like "this is not WoW"? Like you've achieved something? Vaguely pathetic, to be honest.