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Can Laser Legion solo C3's

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Maradusa Macarthy
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-27 21:03:09 UTC
Hello fellow capsuleers, I just bought a toon that can only fly a laser legion atm and was wondering if it was possible to use it to solo c3's. If so, can you please give me a fit and some helpful advice on how to do this with minimum risk from getting ganked.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#2 - 2014-11-27 21:07:53 UTC
Minimising your risk is really more about how you play than about what you fit. If you're cautious you can last for years.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#3 - 2014-11-27 21:23:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Jones
Maradusa Macarthy wrote:
Hello fellow capsuleers, I just bought a toon that can only fly a laser legion atm and was wondering if it was possible to use it to solo c3's. If so, can you please give me a fit and some helpful advice on how to do this with minimum risk from getting ganked.



Best fit for not getting ganked is 3 to 4 friends with you, and a scout on each hole, and at each pos, and to have monitored the hole for at least 2 weeks.

Yaay!!!!

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-11-27 21:43:13 UTC
Short answer yes. Longer answer is I am not at my computer to look up fits.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#5 - 2014-11-27 21:45:22 UTC
Yes

I'm right behind you

Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#6 - 2014-11-27 21:50:54 UTC
Legion can run c3s pretty alright. I used to run them regular in that myself. Tengu is strictly better if you care about efficiency.

All the tips about scouts/friends apply.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-11-27 23:05:49 UTC
Pulse legion can solo all anom. sites easy. I did about 6 sites this morning for about 340m isk. About 2 hours start to finish
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-27 23:41:26 UTC
Can it? Sure.
Is it a good use of your time and SP to train into a PVE Legion? Hell no.

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Maradusa Macarthy
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-11-28 01:09:10 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Can it? Sure.
Is it a good use of your time and SP to train into a PVE Legion? Hell no.


I know, I know. I would never waste my time to train for a legion for any reason, the skills were there already when I bought the character. Hence the reason I bought the character is because all the core, support, navigation and gunnery skills are already trained and is very easy to get into multiple categories, which would take another 3 or 4 months, but for now I was just wondering if I can use this legion to run c3 sites while other skills are training.
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
xX SERENITY Xx
#10 - 2014-11-28 01:19:42 UTC
legion for c3 - yes
tengu for c3 - better and wins on all conditions.
legion takes quite long to fry sleepers while tengu do its job pretty fine
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-11-28 20:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=c3+legion&forumID=2934

Got a huge list of references for legion/c3 information
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#12 - 2014-11-29 00:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
You might want to try something like the following, though I'd honestly rather be lazily tapping F1 in a Gila than fly either Legion or Tengu.

[Legion, Nalletus]

True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Adust the number of capacitor modules to suit your fear of being neuted out.
Maradusa Macarthy
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-11-29 04:47:36 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
You might want to try something like the following, though I'd honestly rather be lazily tapping F1 in a Gila than fly either Legion or Tengu.

[Legion, Nalletus]

True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Adust the number of capacitor modules to suit your fear of being neuted out.


what kind of range do you get using conflag? Or is using faction ammo any better?
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-11-29 05:33:53 UTC
Maradusa Macarthy wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
You might want to try something like the following, though I'd honestly rather be lazily tapping F1 in a Gila than fly either Legion or Tengu.

[Legion, Nalletus]

True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink
True Sansha Heat Sink

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Anti-EM Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II

Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

Adust the number of capacitor modules to suit your fear of being neuted out.


what kind of range do you get using conflag? Or is using faction ammo any better?


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Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.

Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#15 - 2014-11-29 12:05:12 UTC
Maradusa Macarthy wrote:
what kind of range do you get using conflag? Or is using faction ammo any better?

The corn flake stats are 730dps@11km+5km, but most of the time you will be using Scorch which puts out 521dps@33km+5km. I tended to use faction ammo only when I needed extra tracking for shooting close orbiting frigates. Otherwise t2 ammo tends to work better. Navy Multi gives 654dps at the same range as corn flakes but with better tracking.

The poor range of guns of all kinds is why Tengu is so popular over other t3's. That damage application at any range against any sort of target is what makes missile ships so silly in PvE.
Foedus Latro
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-29 15:45:07 UTC
I feel like the web is important for this fit. Also easier done with boosts obviously.

Tengus are popular because of the range they can take out the site at. From experience they are a bit more difficult to catch

Just a wormhole guy

Kupena
Xenophobics Asylum
#17 - 2014-12-01 11:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kupena
Flying with 2x MARs is much safer and less bling than 1x blue MAR. People will disagree, but meh, a pvp corporation can make some good isk on some of the better modules dropping, so whatever.

CCP recently fixed sleeper remote repair so it has become much harder to solo without a web. Previous to that I was not using web, just manual piloting and faction multifreq on frigates.

Ideally you want no more and no less than 600-650tank.
Cap stable with 2x MAR, pulse lasers, 2-3x t2 heat sinks, web, afterburner - that's a pretty standard fit. Of course plug that resistance hole. Play around in EFT and do some testing - that is the only ways to understand how your ship operates. A lot depends on your character skills.

Not getting ganked is all up to you. I've never lost a pve combat ship in WHs. Been close - i've warped out of interdiction bubbles, killed tackling interceptor, logged off in the static, all that jazz.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#18 - 2014-12-01 11:54:12 UTC
The problem with 2xMAR is that you probably need the cap regen subsystem to make it stable, and changing from cap amount to cap regen subsystem loses you one turret hardpoint, which loses you DPS, which is BAD. The 1xMAR fit tanks some 500ish dps, which makes it a bit squishier than the double-repper fit, but still pretty tanky.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#19 - 2014-12-01 18:07:55 UTC
I did a write-up on this some time back that is still mostly valid: http://txgsync.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/solo-c3-strategic-cruisers/

Due to the risk posed these days by frigate holes and frequent harassing interceptors, I'd carry a mobile depot with tracking computers, webs, target painters, warp stabs, and an interdiction nullifier subsystem. The interceptor won't do enough damage to your mobile depot to take it out before you can refit, and it's a better GTFO option if you're "truly solo" before the rest of his fleet drops on you. You will typically want to drop the depot & MTU right at the start of the site or else you'll have zero chance of refitting before a fleet drops on you.

Those fits in my post are, of course, cheap starter fits. About 25 minute site completion times on average warp-to-warp for me with my skills. Salvaging adds a bit of time on the back-end. You can radically bring down the site completion times by opting for a shinier fit with more DPS, but that's left as an exercise to the reader. The fits in my post are pretty much idiot-proof C3 site-running fits if skills are all to 4 or better and all mods can be equipped as listed, but I definitely need to do a follow-up post about use of mobile depots and refits to give you a better chance of escape when your friendly neighborhood ammunition delivery service shows up.
Maradusa Macarthy
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-12-03 00:32:48 UTC
Thank you for the link. And you suggest many times not to solo a C3 in a legion because you'll eventually get ganked. Actually I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as I can even out my loss/gain ratio, just so I can get the experience. But the one big problem I have with t3's is the loss of SP on death (which CCP should really remove since t3's aren't overpowered anymore). But because of the SP losing threat I'm considering to try and run c2/c3's in a zealot, navy omen or ashimmu instead. After I gotten my feat wet then try running them in a legion.
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