Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you'd think with all this insistence by CCP and EVE-O pubs that HMLs are "just fine, look at the damage projection!!" that you'd actually see them being used ever

but you don't, because they're garbage



weakness in tracking is directly mitigated by their increased range. Being able to reduce rad/s with extreme range or by using tracking scripts where arty or beams would need optimal to achieve the same range pretty much negates the "disadvantage" of bad tracking. Damage selectability isn't nearly that big of deal, since every other weapon system is more-or-less subject to similar restrictions (beams obviously, Tremor is kin/exp, most long range missile ships are only bonused for kinetic damage, etc.) and everyone plugs their resist holes anyway



wanna have your mind=blown??

here goes:

heavy missiles were never very OP.

The big clue is that they were only widely used on two hulls: tengus and drakes (funny how this "OP" weapon system never manifested in the popularity of Cerbs, or Caracals, or Nighthawks). Anyway, Tengus because they're an intrinsically powerful hull, and are currently flexing that power with the oh-so-balanced 250mm railguns, and Drakes mostly because they're mindless and very newbie friendly. Low-SP corps could get all their guys in drakes in a few weeks and have a halfway-decent fleet, while their line members could happily rat in their purger-rigged drakes to fund PVP.

Outside of that, blob drakes were a one-trick counter to the AHACs of the day, and even then didn't work very well. Furthermore they got completely slaughtered by battleships, namely Hellcats, were easily countered by firewalls (just like Tengus), and were even more vulnerable to bombing than BS are, having nearly the same sig but about 2/3rds the EHP.

In small gangs, drakes were either used as point-and-click low DPS ships for newbies to fly, or as decent kiting ships that could fit a tank, two webs, and a point. For the former, they were terrible and worse than most other BCs, and for kiting they were made completely obsolete by the introduction of tier3 BCs.

The ultimate irony is that by the time CCP got around to nerfing HMLs and especially Drakes the metagame had already moved onto bigger and better things, yet out-of-the-loop scrublords on EVE-O are still bleating on about how supposedly broken they were.

But hey you're a step ahead of CCP; at least you recognize HMLs suck.

anyway while we're living in a fantasy world where CCP actually takes an interest in the balance of their game, i've compiled an abridged list of things that are a complete joke in PVP for the highly-competent balance wizards of Crowd Control Productions to consider:

• Medium autocannons
• Hurricanes
• Drakes
• Harbingers
• Prophecies
• Brutixes
• Heavy missiles
• Cruise missiles
• Torpedoes
• Pretty much every tech 1 battleship, but especially the Raven and Whyphoon (named because why would you fly one??)
• Target spectrum breakers (i forgot these existed for the better part of a year)
• Pilgrims
• Every sansha ship
• Cynabals
• Dragoons
• Coraxes
• Exequror NIs
• Nighthawks

while we're at it, whatever genius thought it was a good idea to give bubble immunity to interceptors needs his brain examined, maybe even replaced

I also like that even though a couple of [wrong] people are disagreeing about HMs being underpowered or railguns being overpowered not a single person has disagreed with how rediculous Ishtars are

That's because we are so damn tired of people whining about it, we don't feel a need to get into an argument about it for the one thousandth time.

Was Ishtar highly OP before the drone assist, nerfs, the sentry drone changes, and the reduction of the hull bonus? Sure.

Is it still OP? I personally think not, that it's mainly people too damn lazy to fly the right ships in a way that can counter them instead of flying their favorite ship and then whining that since an Ishtar is a hard counter to the ships that they like, it needs to be nerfed.

Remember vagabonds back 3-4 years ago? People whining about them constantly! "Whine whine vagabonds running through my gatecamps, outrunning my fleets, killing my ceptors which are the only thing that can catch them, vagabonds online, whine whine whine!

When the solution was always to fly something besides only ever Drakes or Hurricane. I mean christ on a crutch, it's the same thing now. People don't want to fly the ships that kill ishtars fairly easily, so they whine that they must be OP and in need of nerfs.

People have PTSD from when Cynabals/Hurricanes were good and will never admit that medium autocannons are trash now. It's a lost cause Gorksi, there is no point in trying - she's gone. If you really loved her, let her go.

God I wish :) That means I would be currently employed and have decent job security.

But then I'd also be living in Iceland with winter coming in..... tough choice.

Hear hear, tho you'd have better results if your tone didn't sound like you were in the middle of a rectal prolapse surgery.

eveo changes a man

250mm Rails are actually in a good spot, they have a very solid niche but if you rely on them too heavy (like BNI) your enemy will fill the resist hole and come out with some stupid EHP against kin/therm.

The other weapon systems just need to be improved to the point that outperforming rails in their intended niches validates the lost range. The gap isn't huge (except for HMLs which are trash), but it needs a lot more than a 2% range change to Scorch.

Ishtars though are so hideously broken it's dumb, compared to any other HAC they have an overwhelming advantage in both damage and application. In the Ishtar you combine both selectable damage like Projectiles, 250mm Railgun range/tracking, and do twice the damage of comparable rail boats like the Eagle once they start switching to range ammo.

cruisers doing more dps than combat bc's is a little broke