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Making ISK through mining to get a PLEX in trial (different approach)
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Iggy Azalea Kardashian
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-27 15:32:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Iggy Azalea Kardashian
So, seeing that my 21 day trial is about to end and I barely scraped up 400mil, I think it's time I create another account with a new email and start anew, because this time I actually know how to play (kinda). Seeing that I (for some really weird reason) ENJOY grinding (almost 2k hours in Warframe, if you know that game you know what I mean) and most certainly fell in love with this game, I'm starting to think if it's possible. I will try nonetheless, but still, some opinions or even advice would be great.

On this account I mostly ran jetcan mining operations (Venture with 2 Warriors for APP (Anti Pirate Protection) and it worked great (I mostly mined 'roid belts in .7-.4), could kill tons of pirate scum and when I'd fill 2 or 3 jetcans, I'd haul them back and store them, and then come back with a salvager and get even more profit. Sadly, I used most of my profit for Platinum insurances and for testing frigates and destroyers of each faction (tested most of them, didn't even start with Minmatar tho), so I could say this was MY tutorial for this game.



So, now seeing that I'm almost done with MY tutorial, I was wondering about some stuff like :
1. How does alting increase profit? I mean, how do you make all ores of 2 ships go to 1 ship's Ore bay or whatever, or in general make all profit go to one account?
2. Should I complete the missions from the starting agent and the Sisters of EVE Arc? I have 6/10 atm and I don't find them any good, seeing that Dominix is WAYYY out of my reach and will be for quite some time.
3. What's going on with PLEX prices? 1 hour they're at 950mil, next at 870mil, then back at 930mil. You get what I mean, right?

P.S. Forgot to mention - I can't and won't use any real money on this or any other game due to my money being pretty tight (college, rent, food, girlfriend, other activities). <-That is also a pretty big reason why I want to specifically MINE - I can go do that stuff and leave myself mining with APP on.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-11-27 15:51:19 UTC
First of all, no need to use a different email. You can have AS many accounts linked to an email as you like.

As for the questions:

1. Well, 2 mine more then 1. And then you just jetcan so 1 account can pick it all up to refine + sell (keep in mind to mind how you do this with regards to suspect flagging). As for profits, it's easy, just sent the Ore / Minerals or ISK over to 1 account.

Just keep in mind, that...Yes, mining does scale with the amount of accounts used, but that only really comes into play when you are looking at 4+ cause of Orca boosts + Hauler working more efficient.

2. Yes, because they are easy ISK + standing boost (and the latter is what you want as a miner / trader).

3. Yes, it's called a player ran economy....Supply and Demand etc.



* NEVER fully AFK mine. It will end bad (it's not a question IF it will, it's when).

Semi-AFK...sure. Go ahead, it will suffice. But keep in mind that no matter if you have 1 or 5 drones...players will be there to spoil it one day or another.




That being said. If you have enough time to grind a PLEX together...you have more then enough time to get a side-job that pays multiple times better...which then can be spent on the sub so you don't HAVE to grind + some spare money to keep the GF happy...which is very important for your gaming healthP.

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Iggy Azalea Kardashian
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-11-27 15:58:13 UTC
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Well, thanks I guess. I think I'm going to mine at nights and try to scam abit or do some other stuff so I could fund my PLEX with ISK through grinding for a couple months, but during that time my skills will be training so at some points I'll have such good skills that I will be able to make more than the PLEX costs and get to actually having fun in the game while also sustaining myself with PLEX es :D that's why I love the auto-skill-training system in EVE. Thanks anyways J'Poll!
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-11-27 16:57:58 UTC
With recent PLEX spikes it's becoming quite challenging for a new player to grind one up in a month. I would look in to station trading to supplement your mining. I recently made about 500 mil in my first month with a brand new trade character. And it could have been plenty more if I was more active about it. Make that money work for you instead of leaving it lying around.

Though I would repeat the above advice....EVE isn't really meant to be played for free. People who do have either been playing for a while or do an immense amount of grinding. You may think you like grinding now, but it's a very small portion of what the game has to offer and you will tire of it quickly.

You can try it anyway, but I give you two months (one to grind up your first plex, and one to say "never again"). Keep in mind that since you've announced to the world that you mine AFK you can expect to get ganked as well.

If you do make it past your second month you may find it gets a bit easier to PLEX with better skills and better knowledge. However, mining is a pretty slow way to make money so that skill investment isn't going to prevent any grinding.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-11-27 17:02:11 UTC
If you try mining AFK, you're going to come back to a wreck and a pod (or a station) sooner or later. Probably sooner since you made this thread.

As for mining for a PLEX. I have near-maxed out mining skills. Mining the best highsec ore and selling it:
~16 million/hour on a single account (no Orca boost).
Let's say PLEX is a billion for a nice round number. That's 62.5 hours solid mining per month for a PLEX, or, a week and a half of a full time job. Or 15.7 hours per week, every week. Just to pay your subscription with no left-over ISK for any ships, skill books, implants, etc.

That's a crap-load of work. Or, if you prefer, with a sub $15, that's a part time job paying $0.24/hour.

Plex has been up and down fast the last couple of days because CCP's announcement that multiplexing commands (sending a single command to affect multiple clients) is a bannable offence come Jan. Market panicked. It happens. It'll settle down in a few days and probably panic again come end Dec.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-11-27 17:04:49 UTC
some random thoughts:
1. you can only have EITHER one trial account OR any numbr of full accounts logged in at the same time. you also need either real money or a PLEX to convert your account from trial to full. be aware of that.
2. unless you have a huge backlog of movies to watch, mining on one account is not a good use of your time, as far as making ISK goes. if your goal is getting a plex in 21 days, you should probably try exploration or scamming instead. not sure if trial accounts can join faction warfare, but if they can, then that's also a good option.
3. the PLEX price swing happened mostly due to CCPs recent announcement that multiboxing (using a third party program to replicate key strokes and mouse clicks into several EVE clients) will be banned by the end of the year. this change of policy is expected to reduce PLEX sale volume, and thus prices went down.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-11-27 17:11:37 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
It'll settle down in a few days and probably panic again come end Dec.

and my buy orders will gladly catch it like it's lois lane falling from a skyscraper.

I should buy an Ishtar.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-11-27 17:38:02 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
some random thoughts:
1. you can only have EITHER one trial account OR any numbr of full accounts logged in at the same time. you also need either real money or a PLEX to convert your account from trial to full. be aware of that.
2. unless you have a huge backlog of movies to watch, mining on one account is not a good use of your time, as far as making ISK goes. if your goal is getting a plex in 21 days, you should probably try exploration or scamming instead. not sure if trial accounts can join faction warfare, but if they can, then that's also a good option.
3. the PLEX price swing happened mostly due to CCPs recent announcement that multiboxing (using a third party program to replicate key strokes and mouse clicks into several EVE clients) will be banned by the end of the year. this change of policy is expected to reduce PLEX sale volume, and thus prices went down.


With Phoibe CCP did open FW and Incursions to trials.

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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-11-27 21:57:04 UTC
J'Poll wrote:




* NEVER fully AFK mine. It will end bad (it's not a question IF it will, it's when).

Semi-AFK...sure. Go ahead, it will suffice. But keep in mind that no matter if you have 1 or 5 drones...players will be there to spoil it one day or another.




That being said. If you have enough time to grind a PLEX together...you have more then enough time to get a side-job that pays multiple times better...which then can be spent on the sub so you don't HAVE to grind + some spare money to keep the GF happy...which is very important for your gaming healthP.


I was getting too comfy and did some legit, afk mining the other day... came back an hour later to find my ship's armor half gone and a player's busted up ship nearby. Thankfully Concord got him for me. :)
roberts dragon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-11-28 09:01:21 UTC
i am new as well but do pay monthly subs I have it a lot easier with a friend who helps me out with wads of stuff and isk he has set me up but I still brought a plex to have a bit extra.

he did say its better to have 3 accounts on 3 monthly subs get the skills on all 3 accounts to how you want them then merge the 3 accounts into 1 and then should be enough to make more than enough to be free .

you would need to invest some cash but it be very easy after that, I have tried the mining and can just about take a venture load full to sleepy for me. what I am doing now but I will pay for the subs on the main account this one don't want the grinding to much.

then when I have the other 2 accounts with all the skills they need I will merge them with this one I am going for industry on all 2 of them and this one will then do the rest so its a long term plan working quite well now , since I have had wads of help so far.

but me friend did say join eve uni or a null sec corp then you will earn and learn sooner rather than later . I haven't done much so far but have been given wads of good advice on this forum and the rookie chat so good luck wish you do ok

many thanks
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-28 17:07:31 UTC
I have to agree that mining is probably the worst way to grind isk... then again I hate mining all together. Its just not my bag. I would suggest exploration. It can be j it and miss but the hits are really good.

That said, if you want to jet can then get a mobile tractor unit on feild and when you spit out the cans it will collect them for you. Then go back in a hauler and pick it all up from the tractor.
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#12 - 2014-11-28 18:26:17 UTC
I don't recommend your approach, but it's your time. If you want to do it by mining you need to get a mining barge as soon as possible. Then do your best to find an Orca owner to give you a mining boost (~ 35% increase in your mining yield). It's worth selling him the ore as part of the deal to get the boost.

Once you have some mining income going move over towards combat missions. Missions have greater solo income potential than mining and you'll need something to break of up the monotony.

Suggestions to do other things like market trading, scamming, etc. are probably even better.

Welcome to Eve.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-11-30 22:06:44 UTC
Mining is peasant work, and peasants cannot afford PLEX in the current game economy. You can't compete with the bots or the massive multiboxed fleets that push mineral prices down.

You will need to use a different approach. If you are allowed to train the skill 'Contracting' on a trial account, scamming can be lucrative. If not, infiltrating highsec missioning corps, attacking their mission running ships and holding them ransom can be lucrative too.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-12-03 01:25:09 UTC
IMHO if you want to buy PLEX with isk to pay for game time with this game from the get-go it will turn the game into a job. If that is the case you are much better off working two hours a month at a minimum wage job to pay the $15 per month than you are spending 200 hours per month mining in high sec trying to pay for a PLEX.

For me I don't like free to play games as they seem to always be trying to sell me ****. That annoys me which is why I won't watch TV. I like paying for a game it creates and incentive for the game producer to keep me having enough fun to pay $15 a month instead of trying to taunt me with various virtual goods.

you are you and you have to be you so I would not want to talk you into anything. I'm just saying I've seen the idea of playing this game for free ruin this game for a lot of players.

The only time that I think anyone should even consider paying for game time with PLEX is if they have more isk than they know what to do with . When you get to that point you can pay for it without it ruining the fun of the game.

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Dimitrios Bekas
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2014-12-03 04:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dimitrios Bekas
3 Weeks Trial Account + 4 Weeks One Month Skilling (make it 2 and you are fine) and maybe you can fly a BS with nearly the lowest Skills to participate into Highsec Incursion Fleets.

There you "grind" 90 - 180mil isk per Hour (depending on fleetcompositions and if you choose Armor or Shield Fleets)

And hell, it makes MORE FUN than mining, but you need to be focussed.
Mining can be done anytime sure, i could mine all day long on my second account, but for me it is not worth the effort anymore.

But sometimes, i think of my starting days in Eve, and fly the 30jumps out of Nullsec to my Home-Starting System, grab out my Mackinaw and well...drop the Ore into Space and name it "Do not open - Sleepers inside" or something like that :D

or "the REAL Damsel in Distress inside"

or "WH Activation Console into Jove Home System"

or "IT IS A TRAP - DEATHSTAR SHIELDS ARE STILL ACTIVE"

or....

well you get the point i think :D

Fun should be worth some "Dollar" and i would rather clean toilets for 2hours to afford Eve Sub. instead of mining 50h / month to get started.

Maybe the Topic Starter is so f******* smart, and this is his "master-Scam-Plan" so we all send him some Plex :)

Eve is real bro´s :)

Anyway, Incursions..thats the best way in my opinion.