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About bitter vets and what defines them, are you one ?
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Itoliog
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-09-13 07:34:26 UTC
Nefrin Maldoes wrote:
When you fit all the criteria of this manual:

Bitter Vet Manual



You my friend, have just won EVE.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2011-09-13 07:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Jita Alt666 wrote:
When you lose a station and have 20 bil worth of personal assets trapped and no longer care.
When you log on once every 15 days to change skills but never undock (or decloak your supercap alt).
When you know nothing that CCP will do in the next 12 months will make you happy.


Sounds about right.

Although posting sarcastic comments on the forums must be included in this.

I myself am a bitter vet I guess, but in every bitter vet there is fanboy trying to get out and play.

CCP can screw up and lose the vets and other subscriptions the coming months, or it can gloriously pull through and achieve once again the momentum it build up along the years. I am not holding my breath, but my inner fanboy will be. (I hope he doesn't die)

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Jita Alt666
#23 - 2011-09-13 07:53:15 UTC
Itoliog wrote:
Nefrin Maldoes wrote:
When you fit all the criteria of this manual:

Bitter Vet Manual



You my friend, have just won EVE.



Spelling and punctuation are important to a true bitter vet.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-09-13 08:06:02 UTC
Some days I am a bitter vet, some days I am not.

Often related to the level of alcohol in my blood.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Sexy Moped
Polaris Nebulae
#25 - 2011-09-13 08:19:20 UTC
A bitter vet is someone who cannot accept new changes or unable to adapt to them thus making their gameplay harder or rendering it useless, then they decide to use the forums in the hope that everyone agrees with their views and perhaps it will not change so the bitter vet can still have an advantage over everyone.

I could link some examples but their are too many threads in general chat at the moment so they are easy enough to find and perhaps a good example would be the current CSM issue's (trying to force a company to change their ways for their gain) as they are vets who cannot adapt to change and would rather listen to themselves and their mates of x amount of years so they can gain another advantage over everyone else (just look at my sig, this is a good example).

BTW i'm not a bitter vet, i just got better things to worry about.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-09-13 08:35:42 UTC
The ones I see as bitter vets are those that go through the history and pull out only the negative things they don't like (often things that are just "opinion based") then declare how nothing has improved, nothing has been fixed, etc...

When you point out things that they should find worth while - it's replied with "yeah but ..." or "yes, there were things that did get better but not enough".

When that happens, and it happens for intervals with some, you have a "bitter vet" moment showing.
Apollo-Moor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-09-13 08:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
Some Vets get ANGORZ when NEWBs don't show them "due" respect.. I'm sorry you've been playing the game 5 years and your just now attempting things I learned from jump..

But without you Vets the info and common sense would not exist.. amirite?

So the next a NEWB pods you.. don't get bitter and all wardecy.. be proud of the up and comers at least we're not with the DRF..
Iceni
Doomheim
#28 - 2011-09-13 08:55:46 UTC
A "Bitter Vet" is simply someone who's been around long enough to learn first-hand that SOON is a very, very long time.

My CQ door will open - Soon™
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#29 - 2011-09-13 08:59:39 UTC
When Eve is no longer about spaceships but is just a glorified chat room. Also its when you have been around long enough that nothing ingame actually seems worth it.

To the person who said a bittervet is one who can't adapt, you can't be more wrong. Most bittervets would love something new added that makes them rethink the way they do things, also they've been through a lot of changes already so are use to it. However that doesn't mean they actually agree with the changes and are usually just vocal about it.

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My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2011-09-13 09:04:18 UTC
Bittervet:

When learning skills where removed, nearly ragequitted because of newbies/noobs/others who did´nt maxed out them got SP shoved up their a**es from CCP.

Giving away millions to ppl asking for them in local.

Helping out a newbie in an ishtar in a lvl1 mission for posing.

Not getting nervous when knowing that you have no skill injected, and can´t log on.


Sadly this all is me. Bittervet?
cyllan anassan
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-09-13 09:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: cyllan anassan
when you watch CCP iceland fanfest parties online and realize there are lots of people laughing at stupid jokes and listening to beyond boring presentations for hours which add zero to the game and mean NOTHING....


I watched 2 hours of the last fanfest and i couldnt believe the tedium of the presentations, long ,boring, pointless, impractical and stuff that will never happen...... end of story.

people from NVIDIA talking about what they will be able to do in 2-3 more generations of graphics cards........


eve is still DX9.........!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,, pompous asses!!!!!!!!!!!!! and wont be DX10-11 for 5 years at least!!!!!!!.


is it even multithreaded?????, i dont think so.........
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#32 - 2011-09-13 09:20:07 UTC
cyllan anassan wrote:



when you watch CCP iceland fanfest parties online and realize there are lots of people laughing at stupid jokes and listening to beyond boring presentations for hours which add zero to the game and mean NOTHING....


I watched 2 hours of the last fanfest and i couldnt believe the tedium of the presentations, long ,boring, pointless, impractical and stuff that will never happen...... end of story.

people from NVIDIA talking about what they will be able to do in 2-3 more generations of graphics cards........


eve is still DX9.........!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,, pompous asses!!!!!!!!!!!!! and wont be DX10-11 for 5 years at least!!!!!!!.



And yet when CCP announced in April that they would discontinue Shader Model 2 support, there was a public outcry. Personally I would be happy if EVE would move to DX10 or 11 but the crying on this forum would get even worse.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Kristina Vanszar
MONOCLEGEDDON
#33 - 2011-09-13 09:23:02 UTC
Xython wrote:
When you stop getting mad at CCP, and instead just sigh in resignation.

^this

and

when you are stopping to be happy about new patches, becouse you know, that there will be two times more bugs then content and bug fixes.
Long John Silver
Doomheim
#34 - 2011-09-13 09:23:06 UTC
Since you asked, yes I am a bittervet.

Well, I am an alt's alt, on a secondary account of a bittervet who's been in-game since May 2003.

So I think that makes me a bittervet... or is it just the main character? Well, she doesn't post much anyway.

I'm confused already. Must be getting old.

Why did you want to know?

**Long John Silver **| Pirate Alt and Forum Troll.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#35 - 2011-09-13 09:40:27 UTC
Deviana Sevidon wrote:
cyllan anassan wrote:



when you watch CCP iceland fanfest parties online and realize there are lots of people laughing at stupid jokes and listening to beyond boring presentations for hours which add zero to the game and mean NOTHING....


I watched 2 hours of the last fanfest and i couldnt believe the tedium of the presentations, long ,boring, pointless, impractical and stuff that will never happen...... end of story.

people from NVIDIA talking about what they will be able to do in 2-3 more generations of graphics cards........


eve is still DX9.........!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,, pompous asses!!!!!!!!!!!!! and wont be DX10-11 for 5 years at least!!!!!!!.



And yet when CCP announced in April that they would discontinue Shader Model 2 support, there was a public outcry. Personally I would be happy if EVE would move to DX10 or 11 but the crying on this forum would get even worse.



This. There is literally nothing CCP can do that won't result in a shitstorm.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Danbar Roth
Moon Goo Ltd
#36 - 2011-09-13 10:18:08 UTC
Your a vet when you learn to take EVERYTHING ccp says with a pinch of salt. I believe this can only be done because we have had years and years of "this will come soon"
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#37 - 2011-09-13 10:19:56 UTC
I'm pretty bummed about the avatar removal and new forum. But not sure if that defines me as bitter or not...

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Orion Guardian
#38 - 2011-09-13 10:26:42 UTC
Being a bitter vet isn't about how they treat newbies, because they are bitter not arrogant fucks, ;)

A bitter vet is a longterm eve player that became so desillusioned with the game and CCP that he only sees that abd things in new stuff and good things in long gone stuff. And he keeps playing (or paying depends) because he wants to stick around a game he once loved.

Its like a 50 year marriage turned bitter.
Seetesh
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-09-13 11:06:42 UTC
I've never really been bitter, i do miss the cruise missle kestral and the old days of 2005-2007 when small gnag pvp was alot more fun for me. But i have really just adapted over the years. It has taken me a while to get use to Incarna. And i was let down by the walking in stations but i understand that things develop slowly.
Dsan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2011-09-13 11:27:50 UTC
wow, I see a LOT of great replies.

In general you guys definition is a bit different from what I expected, which I find interresting.
It seems that from an objective point of view, bittervets is a bad thing to the game.

De-motivated players that are only here because of something that used to be.

At best, noobs will call you a bittervet because you have an experience that no-one else has in the game or atleast very few has.

I read all the posts and will try and write it together in the end on "What/who is a bitter vet"

(The PDF is a guide to becomming one, not a definition :P )

Or follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/Dsan_dk
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