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Make Stabber a drone ship
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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-11-26 21:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Think about it: it has high agility and speed for a cruiser and it's got a decent amount of low slots for a ship its size. If it were a drone ship, you could fit a lot of warp stabs to it and run FW plexes like never before. It would be the slipperiest tech 1 plex-runner out there, being more defensive than the Vexor (but less offénsive of course).

Also Minmatar need a drone ship as badly as Gallente need a missile ship.


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Brings new meaning to the name 'Stabber.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2014-11-26 21:18:51 UTC
I'll stab-you!!! (in-game)

Bad troll Reaver.

How did you Veterans start?
Iain Cariaba
#3 - 2014-11-26 21:20:50 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Also Minmatar need a drone ship as badly as Gallente need a missile ship.

Yes it does, considering Gallente doesn't need a missile ship at all.
Daide Vondrichnov
French Drop-O-Panache
Snuffed Out
#4 - 2014-11-26 23:20:10 UTC
Nop, Nop, Nop.
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#5 - 2014-11-26 23:29:57 UTC
because all the races need to be the same with no variation!
Arla Sarain
#6 - 2014-11-26 23:36:05 UTC
I don't understand, where are the bonuses to warp stabs?
Its called a Stabber - why is this so misleading?
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
#7 - 2014-11-27 01:22:36 UTC
Stabber is an excellent ship as it is. Not sure why it should be altered when there are better drone cruisers out there.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-11-27 01:45:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Arla Sarain wrote:
I don't understand, where are the bonuses to warp stabs?
Its called a Stabber - why is this so misleading?


New Stabber:

5 high slots, 3 turret hardpoints, 3 launcher hardpoints
3 mid slots, 4 low slots
600 MW powergrid, 300 tf CPU

Drone bay: 125 m3
Drone bandwidth: 50 Mbit/sec

Minmatar Cruiser skill bonuses:
+10% bonus to drone damage and hit points per level
-10% CPU cost of fitting warp core stabilizers per level

Role bonus:
+100% warp strength bonus from warp core stabilizers


Gawain Edmond wrote:
because all the races need to be the same with no variation!

In all seriousness, I like to think every race can have missile and drone ships without losing their racial flavor. Each Gallente drone ship is like any other Gallente drone ship, while Amarr drone ships are quite different. Minmatar and Caldari don't need a wide variety of drone ships, but it would be nice to throw in one or two of them to explore their possibilities. Caldari drone ships could be like tech 1 versions of Guristas while Minmatar drone ships might be a lot more original, focusing on using speed and evasion to protect the ship while the drones do the fighting.

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Leonard Nimoy II
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-11-27 02:59:10 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
If it were a drone ship, you could fit a lot of warp stabs to it and run FW plexes like never before.

Brings new meaning to the name 'Stabber.



I lol'd
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#10 - 2014-11-27 03:40:36 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
I don't understand, where are the bonuses to warp stabs?
Its called a Stabber - why is this so misleading?


New Stabber:

5 high slots, 3 turret hardpoints, 3 launcher hardpoints
3 mid slots, 4 low slots
600 MW powergrid, 300 tf CPU

Drone bay: 125 m3
Drone bandwidth: 50 Mbit/sec

Minmatar Cruiser skill bonuses:
+10% bonus to drone damage and hit points per level
-10% CPU cost of fitting warp core stabilizers per level

Role bonus:
+100% warp strength bonus from warp core stabilizers


Gawain Edmond wrote:
because all the races need to be the same with no variation!

In all seriousness, I like to think every race can have missile and drone ships without losing their racial flavor. Each Gallente drone ship is like any other Gallente drone ship, while Amarr drone ships are quite different. Minmatar and Caldari don't need a wide variety of drone ships, but it would be nice to throw in one or two of them to explore their possibilities. Caldari drone ships could be like tech 1 versions of Guristas while Minmatar drone ships might be a lot more original, focusing on using speed and evasion to protect the ship while the drones do the fighting.


no, no, NO and NO!!!
Leave my stabber alone you freak.
As to flavor, racial......
Gallente = damps and drones and excel at these things mostly
Amarr = Neuting, mixed tactics, primarily energy weapon based and excel at this mostly
^^ both are armor tanked philosphy
Caldari = Missile tech, Jamming, hybrids for sniping and support, Shield tank.
Minmatar = Projectile wpns, good alpha strikes, speed tank in close knife fighters (AC), a variety of their ships can be shield or armor tanked but some easily have preference to one or the other in lieu of a speed tank. Minmatar excel at these tactics and speed bumping. they dont need drones....they are the klingons of EvE and drones arent very much useful in the 'in your face' atitude of the Matar tribes.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#11 - 2014-11-27 03:49:07 UTC
How about also adding a role bonus which double the effectiveness to warp stabs as well?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-11-27 04:29:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Max Deveron wrote:
As to flavor, racial......
Gallente = damps and drones and excel at these things mostly
Amarr = Neuting, mixed tactics, primarily energy weapon based and excel at this mostly
^^ both are armor tanked philosphy
Caldari = Missile tech, Jamming, hybrids for sniping and support, Shield tank.
Minmatar = Projectile wpns, good alpha strikes, speed tank in close knife fighters (AC), a variety of their ships can be shield or armor tanked but some easily have preference to one or the other in lieu of a speed tank. Minmatar excel at these tactics and speed bumping. they dont need drones....they are the klingons of EvE and drones arent very much useful in the 'in your face' atitude of the Matar tribes.

I disagree with your racial flavor list:

Amarr: passive armor tank, laser turrets, varied combat styles, tracking disruptors and capacitor warfare - with a side in drones
Caldari: passive shield tank, hybrid turrets, sniper combat style, ECM jammers - with a strong side in missiles
Gallente: active armor tank, hybrid turrets, brawler combat style, remote sensor dampeners and warp disruptors - with a strong side in drones
Minmatar: active shield tank, projectile turrets, brawler combat style, target painters and stasis webifiers - with a side in missiles and ships slightly smaller than the competition

I don't see missiles or drones as a racial weapon system. Every race has drone bays and launcher hardpoints. Why is it so far-fetched to have a Gallente or Amarr ship with a missile bonus, or a Caldari or Minmatar ship with a drone bonus? What about racial damage flavors? Where are the ships with bonuses to EM, thermal, or explosive missiles or drones? All I see is kinetic missile damage bonus specifically, no others.



Hopelesshobo wrote:
How about also adding a role bonus which double the effectiveness to warp stabs as well?

I have done that exactly.

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-11-27 05:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Where are the ships with bonuses to EM, thermal, or explosive missiles or drones? All I see is kinetic missile damage bonus specifically, no others.

The Talwar and all of the stealth bombers would like to say hi.

Every ship with a missile RoF bonus instead of a damage type bonus would also like a word with you.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-11-27 06:08:28 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Where are the ships with bonuses to EM, thermal, or explosive missiles or drones? All I see is kinetic missile damage bonus specifically, no others.

The Talwar and all of the stealth bombers would like to say hi.

Every ship with a missile RoF bonus instead of a damage type bonus would also like a word with you.

Those aren't type specific. Are you saying they're racially oriented?

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2014-11-27 07:17:04 UTC
The Talwar and Hound get a bonus to Explosive missiles only, and explosive damage is the signature damage type of Minmatar. In addition, the Bellicose has a missile ROF bonus and the Scythe FI has a damage bonus for missile.

Why Gallente are in need of a missile boat is beyond me. Missiles are the signature weapon of their arch enemy, the Caldari. Gallente can damp the hell out of any Caldari ship and thus they cannot attach Gallente ships anymore. On the other side, Caldari ships can jam the hell out of Gallente ships and only their drones act independently from target lock so that Gallente can attack regardless of target lock or not. Why should they give up that massive advantage just because some random wannaby demigod demands it who has no affiliation or say in Gallente politics and military structure beats me.

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Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#16 - 2014-11-27 08:03:08 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Where are the ships with bonuses to EM, thermal, or explosive missiles or drones? All I see is kinetic missile damage bonus specifically, no others.

The Talwar and all of the stealth bombers would like to say hi.

Every ship with a missile RoF bonus instead of a damage type bonus would also like a word with you.

Those aren't type specific. Are you saying they're racially oriented?



Uhm yeah....quite a few things are racial oriented.

And as to your earlier question....all i can say is Lore, the signature designs of the races....and all that. Gallente are the premier experts at building drones.

Caldari are the best with ECM and use missiles primarily

Amarr....well every one knows they use Lasers.

Minmatar, explosive dmg being their signature dmg type....the projectiles make sense........

anyway, NO the stabber does need a change, CCP already changed up the cyclone into more of a missile boat. Minmatar have more projectile bonuses than any other race....they dont need drones per se.

I mean come on just look at them....they are basically different based on their signature designs. Quit trying to make everything the same.
Arla Sarain
#17 - 2014-11-27 10:30:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Max Deveron wrote:
NO the stabber does need a change

Affirmative.
Stabber needs to be changed and be true to its name.






For those of you who are way too slow, as in the whole forum but some odd 7 people, its a joke thread.

Stabber
Stabb
Stab

The drone are suggested so that

Why do I even bother?
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-11-27 16:16:02 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Those aren't type specific. Are you saying they're racially oriented?

Actually they are. The Talwar and all the stealth bombers are bonused for their racial damage type and each race's RoF bonused missile ships apply a very different spin on the idea of a missile boat.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-11-27 20:49:06 UTC
I still don't feel Stealth Bombers count (as they're not very good for general combat) but I guess I can accept that rate of fire is a racial flavor. Still, I'd like to see more damage type bonuses. Also, I didn't realize the Talwar has an explosive missile bonus.

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Maichin Civire
#20 - 2014-11-27 21:27:31 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Also Minmatar need a drone ship as badly as Gallente need a missile ship.


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Brings new meaning to the name 'Stabber.


I think you spent too much time in FW being in TEST.

But seriously - this is the dumbest idea I've ever seen. Stabber IS projectile-armed ship, and should forever stay like that.