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The Adventures Of Falcon - Starting EVE From Scratch

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Capqu
Half Empty
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#41 - 2014-11-26 17:18:29 UTC
ask ccp rise about streaming and his interaction with griffins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#42 - 2014-11-26 17:28:37 UTC
Have fun with that, maybe you should change the client language to Japanese for an hour or two to get the real noob feeling.

I think this is a good idea and it will be fun to watch. EVEBet should be taking up numbers and putting down odds on what is going to happen.

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Fras Siabi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-11-26 17:45:53 UTC
CCP Arkanon wrote:
To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.


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Kern Hotha
#44 - 2014-11-26 18:06:44 UTC
CCP Arkanon wrote:
To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.


This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players.

We distinguish the excellent man from the common man by saying that the former is the one who makes great demands upon himself, and the latter who makes no demands on himself.

Jose Ortega y Gasset (1883 - 1955)
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#45 - 2014-11-26 18:10:58 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

That's all I get to start out with, same as any other rookie. I figure that all the knowledge of EVE that I have as a player is available out there in the form of guides, wikis and player resources, so I'm pretty much on even footing.

bet you couldn't type that with a straight faceBig smile

+1 great idea though, happy to see this.

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prolix travail
Blue Mountain Trails
#46 - 2014-11-26 18:18:08 UTC
Great idea, man! will be tuning in. Don't forget to save your past broadcasts, I don't think twitch have that option selected by default.
Aureus Salvadore
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-11-26 18:30:33 UTC
Will the ban on dev participation in null be lifted in the name of this experiment?
Prince Kobol
#48 - 2014-11-26 18:31:17 UTC
Kern Hotha wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.


This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players.


Still doesn't mean he is wrong...

I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve.

One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character.

Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close.






epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#49 - 2014-11-26 18:49:43 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kern Hotha wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.


This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players.


Still doesn't mean he is wrong...

I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve.

One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character.

Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close.




Whilst I am sure you are correct, there is still a lot to be learned, if he refuses donations, as the first few million is the hardest. I remember just how tough it was to, afford a fitted Destroyer, only to lose three in a row. With experience, chump change, but to a newbie many days or longer of work.
There are skills and experiences that cannot be forgotten and so long as Falcon keeps that in mind, it should be a good experience, for him, and later for all new players.

Bravo CCP falcon



There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Prince Kobol
#50 - 2014-11-26 18:54:26 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kern Hotha wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.


This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players.


Still doesn't mean he is wrong...

I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve.

One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character.

Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close.




Whilst I am sure you are correct, there is still a lot to be learned, if he refuses donations, as the first few million is the hardest. I remember just how tough it was to, afford a fitted Destroyer, only to lose three in a row. With experience, chump change, but to a newbie many days or longer of work.
There are skills and experiences that cannot be forgotten and so long as Falcon keeps that in mind, it should be a good experience, for him, and later for all new players.

Bravo CCP falcon






Again, I applaud what Falcon is doing, but when you have that experience you know what to do and what not to do. Also as a new player you don't have everybody gunning for you just because you are a dev.
Star Bellatrix
Harmony Industries
#51 - 2014-11-26 18:59:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kern Hotha wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.


This is a clumsy comment to direct at an employee who is doing something positive and helpful for new players.


Still doesn't mean he is wrong...

I think its great what Falcon is doing but in no way can it help him relate to how a new player feels simply because he is probably one of the most knowledgeable people about Eve.

One of the major aspects of why Eve is so damn good is its complexity, you can't replicate this just by rolling a new character.

Again, great to see a Dev actually playing Eve on a regular basis and interacting with the community but in regards to resembling a new players experience.. not even close.




Whilst I am sure you are correct, there is still a lot to be learned, if he refuses donations, as the first few million is the hardest. I remember just how tough it was to, afford a fitted Destroyer, only to lose three in a row. With experience, chump change, but to a newbie many days or longer of work.
There are skills and experiences that cannot be forgotten and so long as Falcon keeps that in mind, it should be a good experience, for him, and later for all new players.

Bravo CCP falcon






Again, I applaud what Falcon is doing, but when you have that experience you know what to do and what not to do. Also as a new player you don't have everybody gunning for you just because you are a dev.



Even veterans can have problems doing the NPE.
I still remember watching Elise Randolph doing the same experiment a while back and even he was having some troubles with the tutorials.

But yeah, still won't even get close to the learning curve that new players have to deal with when they are starting.
Jaqueline Geoliere
M4gnum P.I.
#52 - 2014-11-26 19:00:09 UTC
I'd suggest you buy a mining permit once you made your 1st 10 mln.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#53 - 2014-11-26 19:19:14 UTC
The IA post brings up an interesting principle. I wonder whether the balance between direct community interaction and safety is correct at the moment.

I would like to see more direct and public dev interaction. I would like to see devs flying around much more often trying normal things. I've never seen a CCP character in lowsec. I think the current rules are too restrictive and limit interaction too much.

We have come a long way from T20. A conversation with the community about the appropriateness of certain actions by CCP characters would be welcome and might even be surprising.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#54 - 2014-11-26 19:22:09 UTC
CCP Arkanon wrote:
To chime in, I knew of this, but not the part where the char name would be showing. Let's see how it goes, but I wouldn't get too attached to that character. I also fail to see how this would resemble a new player's experience, since I doubt you'll get the same reception as a real noob.



Oh snap

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Johnny Twelvebore
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#55 - 2014-11-26 19:47:23 UTC
You should do this anonymously and start up a newb training corp - turn them into killers. I have done this and it is really hard work but very satisfying when (in one case) they end up better than you.

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Jafit McJafitson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2014-11-26 20:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit McJafitson
CCP Falcon wrote:

That's all I get to start out with, same as any other rookie. I figure that all the knowledge of EVE that I have as a player is available out there in the form of guides, wikis and player resources, so I'm pretty much on even footing.


What?

I have started fresh accounts and characters before for the purposes of spying. Even without transfers of isk it's not particularly hard for a veteran to become established and make money because I, as a player, know exactly what I'm doing when it comes to skills, ships, fittings, and effective ways to make isk.

When I was a newbie in 2006 I lost a Badger full of Antibiotics to a TunDraGon gatecamp in Aunenen. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I didn't know any tricks for being safer or any better ways to make money.

If you are a complete newbie you'll most likely follow the career funnel straight into mining, and biomass your character in about a month because you're bored to tears. Maybe you'll train up defender missiles because they sound cool? Maybe you'll try to fit your Merlin with lasers? Maybe you'll go belt ratting in lowsec while not knowing what the dangers are, or even what local or dscan are used for. Maybe you'll fit your ship by actually buying modules and seeing if they'll fit onto your ship instead of downloading EFT and importing your skills to work out what's the best fit for you. Maybe if you are looking for a ship fitting you'll end up on Battleclinic. Maybe you'll try to navigate through the game using the ingame map instead of just going on Dotlan.

There are a million ways for a brand new newbro to make the game hard for themselves simply because they don't know anything, and they don't know how ignorant they actually are or where they should go to find more info. So... I really don't think that this experiment is going to provide much useful insight if CCP Falcon considers the knowledge of a 10+ year veteran to be 'on equal footing' to a brand new player with a link to the Eve Uni wiki.
El Space Mariachi
Zero Fun Allowed
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#57 - 2014-11-26 20:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: El Space Mariachi
I fear you lack the completely fresh perspective of a new player who knows figuratively nothing of the ins and outs of mechanics or ways to get ahead in the game at all and makes terrible life choices such as mining in an apocalypse or grinding out missions in hisec like I did back when I started. All the same it's a neat idea, I'm sure this will at the very least teach new players watching your stream a few things about the game and hopefully will allow you to scrutinise a lot of the new player experience and share your findings with other devs. Eve's player retention has been historically pretty low and I'll support anything to bring more new blood into the world of mining to replace all the isboxing accounts that are being unsubbed, and devs playing their own game can never be a bad thing in my eyes.

if you want to improve the new player experience you could always fix rat AI so the rats don't rush to defend the guy who's been shooting at their friends for hours/days/years from the bright-eyed t1 thrasher pilot just because he activates his spooky warp scrambler :^)

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Ryu Chaos
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#58 - 2014-11-26 20:28:11 UTC
Bobmon wrote:
JEFFRAIDER wrote:
Hey boss train up for a CLAW and I'll vouch you into PL

TwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwistedTwisted


He can count on my vouch tooo!!



bobmon your char looks like he is wearing a toupe..

also gl falcon!

@RyuChaos_
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2014-11-26 20:41:08 UTC
Some of us have started new characters every six months or sooner, so welcome to the club I guess. It's a start.

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Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#60 - 2014-11-26 20:57:42 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Some of us have started new characters every six months or sooner, so welcome to the club I guess. It's a start.

The best thing to do while streaming is be a girl. Do that and you're golden.


Also, don't forget rules 1 and 2.

Rule 1: be attractive.

Rule 2: don't be unattractive.

You, too, can be space-famous in these 2 easy steps!

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