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Appeal to Caldari Militia

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Kira Distler
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#121 - 2014-11-25 15:22:34 UTC
There's a party in my pants.
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#122 - 2014-11-25 15:40:51 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Roll
What's the matter? Caldari militia will prop up a 350 man "elilte" alliance that flies max boosted Navy Apoc fleets and can drop 20 triage, but they won't help a small corp like yours out? Blink

Just remember IbanezLaney - we GalMil are the only ones who gave the Church of Awesome their proper due during their time in FW. Wouldn't it be fun to come over to our side, if for no other reason than to troll the hell out of the Squids who refused to come to your aid? You already know we Gallente never turn our backs on our brothers in arms.

Come to the dark side. We have more exotic dancers and better drugs.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2014-11-25 17:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Epikurus wrote:

I qualified 'incoherent' with 'slightly' as your jabs don't quite add up. When you say that one group is 'hand holding' another it implies a one-way relationship of dependency, specifically evoking the dependency of a child on an adult. Yet at the same time you say that the group that was apparently doing the hand holding actually depended on the other group for their victory, which suggests a rather different relationship. Hence you were 'slightly incoherent' as the imagery of the two attempted insults didn't quite come together properly.


Except i didnt say cal mil needed their hands holding to gain a victory, i literally said they needed their hands holding to form a fighting fleet rather than an evasive camping / ganking one.

Saying squids need their hands held to reach victory would be inaccurate since their camping fleets do often kill the odd dude on a gate and run away from fights. Which would be a victory by their own conditions lol.

Problem is you are posting mad and have strawmaned my comment for like 2/3rds of a page now.


You're not making a whole lot of sense mate and I have no reason to be mad - you guys lost Cool
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#124 - 2014-11-25 18:10:56 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
You're not making a whole lot of sense mate and I have no reason to be mad - you guys lost Cool


So just to clarify, my comment was on the uncharacteristic style of calmils participation rather than their overall contribution. The only time calmil fights us is when they have a 3rd party like BL or SNUFD. Both have encouraged squids to form and fight nearly a half dozen times each over the years, SNUFD witth he longer history of doing so.

All other times its just camping and evasion. Its not uncommon for squids to have as many or more than us but they seem to have no intention to fight alone.

It has to be said though, galmil have put some unusual numbers together last couple of weekends, but most nights squids could easily stand toe to toe if they had the confidence to do so.
Kira Distler
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#125 - 2014-11-25 18:32:49 UTC
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The only time calmil fights us is when they have a 3rd party like BL or SNUFD.


Who is this "calmil" you speak of?
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2014-11-25 19:58:28 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


The only time calmil fights us is when they have a 3rd party like BL or SNUFD. Both have encouraged squids to form and fight nearly a half dozen times each over the years, SNUFD witth he longer history of doing so.

All other times its just camping and evasion.


This is so obviously untrue I don't understand why you are even attempting to spin this line.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#127 - 2014-11-25 20:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
It'll be interesting to see how all the blues work out over the next year as well as how long it will take various groups to get a big enough Super button and start transitioning to combat Titans for when we get a better way to point Supers in lowsec.



Why wait when today will do? Looks like Snuff busted out the DD at 18:47 today.

Also: "Only killed stuff with SC once recently" looks to be over.

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#128 - 2014-11-25 23:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


The only time calmil fights us is when they have a 3rd party like BL or SNUFD. Both have encouraged squids to form and fight nearly a half dozen times each over the years, SNUFD witth he longer history of doing so.

All other times its just camping and evasion.


This is so obviously untrue I don't understand why you are even attempting to spin this line.


No spin, i personally havent been involved in voluntary pvp with only squids in a larger fleet for probably over a year. Most of the last year squids have been bait for larger groups, then once that batphone dried up their 50-70 man fleets just disappeared.

That said, i cant remember the last time that i had to say that my posting is based on my own perspective and experience and may not reflect a perfectly objective reality. Though it seems that in our interactions, that now would be the time to clear that up for your sake and anyone else that might be very easily confused.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2014-11-26 02:34:11 UTC

50-70 man fleets are rare, although we lost one to you guys just a couple of weeks ago and have had fleets towards the lower end of that level out multiple times a week for the last month. They also have nothing to do with the snuff fight, for which we fielded a small frigate support wing of about 35 guys, which is pretty par for the course for a short notice weekend fleet.

Quote:

That said, i cant remember the last time that i had to say that my posting is based on my own perspective and experience and may not reflect a perfectly objective reality. Though it seems that in our interactions, that now would be the time to clear that up for your sake and anyone else that might be very easily confused.


If you want your statements to be read as just your personal experience and as reflecting your own limited perspective then I suggest you avoid absolutist language that generalises over all experiences and all fleets. Also, if you intend to restrict things to your personal perspective you might try phrasing statements such as

Quote:

The only time calmil fights us ...



as

Quote:

The only time I have been in a fight with calmil ...


or

Quote:

All other times its just camping and evasion.


as

Quote:

In my extremely limited personal experience, which is clearly in no way representative of the militia as a whole, I have only experienced calmil fleets involved in camping or evasion.


That way what you say will be, you know, possibly verging on accurate ...

It will, of course, also contribute nothing to the current discussion as it will make no attempt to represent the actual state of affairs beyond the perspective of a single pilot.
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#130 - 2014-11-26 06:09:48 UTC
Sharing comms and Intel channels, we are all pretty tight knit; fleet activity and outcomes are shared and evaluated as a group.

I wouldn't expect Crosi to express any of these as individual concerns, nor assume he is out of the loop in regards to what is easily accessible and confirmable statements of activity.

If you guys weren't so busy eating each other because you're each so different, perhaps you would see how we all manage to pull together time and time again. Alas, though, this is the nature of the Squid.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#131 - 2014-11-26 07:12:44 UTC
Epikurus wrote:

If you want your statements to be read as just your personal experience and as reflecting your own limited perspective then I suggest you avoid absolutist language


Why should i? They are absolutely my perspective.
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#132 - 2014-11-26 11:42:06 UTC
[/quote] Why should i? They are absolutely my perspective.[/quote]

dont discuss with Crosi, hes the Chuck Norris of Forum discussions!
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2014-11-26 15:02:14 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Epikurus wrote:

If you want your statements to be read as just your personal experience and as reflecting your own limited perspective then I suggest you avoid absolutist language


Why should i? They are absolutely my perspective.


Because it's an abuse of language to frame what you admit is your personal perspective as if it is impersonal objective fact. It also displays a rather disturbing egocentricism, verging on solipsism, to think that the language of absolutes is appropriate for any single individual's experiences. But most of all, you should avoid that language because it looks so damn feeble when you back-peddle from statements that are clearly untrue and start whining 'but it's just my own opinion so I can say whatever I like without being held responsible for its accuracy!'.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#134 - 2014-11-26 15:10:31 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Epikurus wrote:

If you want your statements to be read as just your personal experience and as reflecting your own limited perspective then I suggest you avoid absolutist language


Why should i? They are absolutely my perspective.


Because it's an abuse of language to frame what you admit is your personal perspective as if it is impersonal objective fact. It also displays a rather disturbing egocentricism, verging on solipsism, to think that the language of absolutes is appropriate for any single individual's experiences. But most of all, you should avoid that language because it looks so damn feeble when you back-peddle from statements that are clearly untrue and start whining 'but it's just my own opinion so I can say whatever I like without being held responsible for its accuracy!'.


Accusing people of backpedaling for simply clarifying their position that was somewhat misrepresented. Thats a pretty classy strategy, that certainly lends weight to your new role as tedious debate champ.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#135 - 2014-11-26 16:05:36 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Accusing people of backpedaling for simply clarifying their position that was somewhat misrepresented. Thats a pretty classy strategy, that certainly lends weight to your new role as tedious debate champ.


The classy thing would be for you to admit that your 'personal perspective' was inaccurate and failed to represent reality. I mean, that's what you've done, really, by saying 'it's just a personal perspective' rather than actually trying to defend your inaccurate claims, but it would be more becoming to just come out and straight-forwardly say, 'Yep, I was wrong on that'.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#136 - 2014-11-26 16:30:17 UTC
Epikurus wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Accusing people of backpedaling for simply clarifying their position that was somewhat misrepresented. Thats a pretty classy strategy, that certainly lends weight to your new role as tedious debate champ.


The classy thing would be for you to admit that your 'personal perspective' was inaccurate and failed to represent reality. I mean, that's what you've done, really, by saying 'it's just a personal perspective' rather than actually trying to defend your inaccurate claims, but it would be more becoming to just come out and straight-forwardly say, 'Yep, I was wrong on that'.


Ive already clarified the scope of my commentary on calmil. It shouldve been obvious, but i didnt realise i had to cater for other peoples autism.

As for being wrong, ive only seen squids form up to fight big when they have external help and at all other times run away. So i couldnt with good conscience admit that.
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#137 - 2014-11-26 17:49:05 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


Ive already clarified the scope of my commentary on calmil. It shouldve been obvious, but i didnt realise i had to cater for other peoples autism.



Makes objective statements then states it should have been obvious that the views were purely subjective and not a judgement about the real state of the warzone. No, no ... makes total sense.

Also, that's some seriously high-school level of insult you've graduated to now. Guess it's easier to go down that route than grounding your attacks in facts.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#138 - 2014-11-26 17:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
Obviously the guy with 218 lifetime kills, and none this month, is a master of the warzone and has an omnipotent view of most of the goings on in the region.

I'm retired and probably have a better idea of what is going on than him.

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Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2014-11-26 18:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Obviously the guy with 218 lifetime kills, and none this month, is a master of the warzone and has an omnipotent view of most of the goings on in the region.

I'm retired and probably have a better idea of what is going on than him.


We're really falling back on KB statistics now are we? I mean ... really? Ignore the fact that this alt is the CEO of one of the biggest Cal Mil alliances and really, reflect deeply on what you've just done because you deserve to feel very bad about it regardless.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#140 - 2014-11-26 18:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Thanatos Marathon
Epikurus wrote:
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Obviously the guy with 218 lifetime kills, and none this month, is a master of the warzone and has an omnipotent view of most of the goings on in the region.

I'm retired and probably have a better idea of what is going on than him.


We're really falling back on KB statistics now are we? I mean ... really? Ignore the fact that this alt is the CEO of one of the biggest Cal Mil alliances and really, reflect deeply on what you've just done because you deserve to feel very bad about it regardless.


Oh, so you are a forum troll as well as someone who is partially responsible for the terrible shape that Caldari has been in since TEST left? This makes the crap you spew better how?

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