Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Think i and some friends might experiment on this.............

But first, lets look at it in the perspective of original OP idea (how i read into of course).

Mackinaw, 35k m3
Skiff, 15k m3

the point im hearing with everything being equal (pilot skills, etc) and solo mining (the only objective way to study ships in the same class) meaning no hauler support, no orca, no fleet what so ever.

lets pick 5.4 AU dst from a station.....without doing the actual math and just using base numbers from ship info....thats a rough 1.6...and including the actual slow down time and ability to lock a target(roid) lets say maybe 4 seconds(prolly longer than that).

ok return time 4 seconds, 2 seconds to dock, 2 seconds to dump ore, approx 2-3 seconds to undock, 10 seconds to align and warp 4 seconds to return to belt........24 seconds.
15k mined skiff
16k mined Mack (account the fact its lasers never shut off)

rinse repeat.....
another 24 seconds
30k total Skiff
33k mackinaw

at this rate it would seem the skiff does not need a nerf of its yield, because the smaller cargo hold accounts for the advantage of its tank ability.
Again something i think would be worthy of a live exercise experiment.......unfortunately i dont have Fraps....but my curiosity is piqued and will look into this myself since it rides on the debate ive had with a corpmate a few weeks ago....math is sound on paper......but in actuality i believe the mack would beat the skiff every time.

Anything i have seen in this thread, ie gankers, gank or not to gank, mentalities, kill or not to kill.....all that crap is irrelevant to the facts of the issue that needs to be figured out first. Is the skiff a better miner than the Mack?
If it is not over a predetermined length of time then clearly it will not need a change to its yield.

I'd note that they lowered the theoretical yield while mining. Not the actual live yield. You get more overmining with the skiff and more warp time, so in actual live tests where everything isn't perfect the Mack still outmines the skiff.

Go to the EVE General Discussion board on this forum and check the announcement at the top of the page. Sixty-two pages of comments so far and over twenty thousand views.

In short the announcement says that you will be able to use ISBoxer to log on multiple accounts and fleet warp is obviously still alright as that is an in-game function. But if you go to use ISBoxer to turn on multiple mining lasers or guns etc you will fall foul of the EULA and get hit by the ban hammer.

It's a long time coming but it's very good news.

The Skiff may be classed by you and maybe CCP mistakenly feel it is a solo mining ship. I'm afraid you are both wrong as we all know the player -base will use equipment within the game in their own way and subvert what CCP thinks should happen. Too many cases of this to mention so I won't here.

The Skiff is largely used in a mining fleet. I don't think I have ever seen a Skiff on its own anywhere. It just doesn't happen. I see Mackinaws solo mining quite often though. Given that and that others more knowledgeable of mining yield have pointed out the yield is the same on the Skiff & the Mackinaw this makes the Skiff like a Mackinaw except with a very large tank.

There's no issue.

Look for any other easy victims.

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oh and a side note.....

I have used a skiff solo, and i know many that occasionlly do use the skiff solo mining all the time. What better ship when solo than a skiff to deter a possible ganker. Besides, fleeet boosts? who needs an orca in the belt when you can set up a temp pos for it to sit in. A skiff will outperform non boosted miners while still flying back and forth to station.

You don't HAVE to test mining ships together in solo mode as, for example, the Hulk is fleet mining ship but the Skiff runs better in a mining fleet. It's more complicated than that.

This proposal is not to do with whether a mining ship is easily gankable but whether the Skiff has any negatives to outweigh positive factors. The answer to this is that it has no negative factors especially when used in a mining fleet scenario. Therefore it breaks CCPs role based ships principle.

I mine in a skiff. Traned it after mining in a proc. Was over two month training to fit properly.
I live some few jumps from a trade hub and gankers are through here every day.

I solo mine and the skiff is less ore than the mack or the retty. You gotta watch your laser more, dock more often too. I accept that cause i dont want to always be buyin a new ship.

That said there are lots of retties and macks around anyway. People want the yield, yo.
Eve is like that. 90% is cheap and easy to get in most things, but that extra 10% is everthing to some people.

The skiff is not op, not for me. And not for most of the people in my area, or else you would only see skiffs.

nuff said.

CCP tends to looks at why players value one ship over another before they make balance changes, and that's why they buffed the skiff to begin with. The mack was simply the most used mining ship previously.

I personally think that the mack was highly valued by people using ISBoxer, and with the decline/banning of that software it could have an impact on the ship usage metrics. But skiffs are hard to gank, and they're suppose to be, and that is simply not going to change. Asking CCP to nerf them to the point that they're unusable at their role (which is mining) is senseless.

I have never attacked a Skiff. Hence no failure.