Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree with a lot of what you say, but low consequences for death make it meaningless, this makes your victory less meaningful.

We'll just have to agree to disagree

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If I nail someone's ship and pod, I don't need to know he's not going to be undocking for a week while he trains up some vital skill for the fiftieth time to know I've won.

The consequences of losing a ship and implants (and, at present, the cost of a new clone) are severe enough, you don't need to add a mechanic that massively discourages participation in PVP to make a victory any sweeter.

For that exact same reasoning, do people in highsec deserve additional bonus training speed on top of what they already enjoy due high level implants? Is there any possible reason a highsec player might choose to say "No" to an additional 5% training speed? No. Not unless the cost was incredibly expensive. Bil+ range at least.

It's already a no-brainer for highseccers. You buy the highest grade implants you can get, and plug them in, +5's if you can, 4's if you can't.

Nullseccers and WH dwellers have to choose between buying implants and losing them in our inevitable deaths, or doing without them and training at a far lower speed.

P.S. Simply because I do not play in highsec does not mean in any way that I feel obligated to ladle on bonuses to an even greater heights than they already enjoy. "You don't do it, so you can't complain about me giving them one sided buffs" is a bullshit argument, tbh.

Well, if you insist.. Here.

A: Highseccers with more skills make more money easier. Faster training means more skilled pilots, makes highsec more of an attractive isk fountain, lowers the relative value of nullsec space as compared to the advantages of living in highsec.

B: People with more skills can sell their characters for more isk, so an advantage in training speed devalues the potential value of my characters as opposed to a faster training highsec dweller.

C: The more attractive highsec living is, the less incentive people have to come play in low, null, or WH space. This in turn makes the game a blander place overall, as player interaction and co-dependence is far lower in highsec than it is anywhere else.

D: When people make more money (see section A), the value people are willing to pay for limited t2/faction/high meta items increases, causing the price of items and PLEX's to increase without the average nullseccer/WH dwellers income increasing, causing a loss of relative buying power.

But the main thing is that just because everyone has the option to use something, like your expensive bonused training speed pod (for those who never die), does not make it anything resembling an equal opportunity.

Say I proposed an implant that when plugged in, increased received rat bounties by 1% every third day for an increase of up to 10% after a month. But that any positive changes in NPC corp -> player standings reset the timer to 0 days. Said implant would automatically carry over to every clone, like the glorious golden egg, along with accumulated time.

Mission runners would immediately protest that it's not fair that every mission completed reset the timer, that the only people who can take unimpeded advantage of the implant are people who only ever shoot red crosses in low and nullsec. Nullseccers would claim that since anyone could plug it in and only shoot rats in anoms and asteroid belts (both of which occur in highsec), that it's an equal opportunity for everyone and that if highseccers don't want to deal with the crimp in their playstyle associated with it, they could simply not buy the implant. Still fair, right?

Highsec mission runners would complain that it's absolute bullshit, that although anyone can use it, it's obvious favoritism for one group. And they would be right.

So when you propose and defend an idea where the only people who don't get frequent resets on their learning boosting pod are highseccers and lowseccers who don't get podded on a regular basis (And cowardly nullsec carebears who don't PvP I guess), it is just as much a bullshit proposition as the rat bounty proposal above.

I hope this wall of text helped you understand, I rather like my example :)

I thought the medical clones idea was good, just not implemented correctly.

I believe the best way is to keep the clones and, should the clone be lower than the player's SP, diminish temporarily the player's SP. The player can then upgrade his clone, the one in which he resides currently, when the full effect of his SP is restored. No SP is lost, merely disabled temporarily.

Being podded must mean something, else there is no way of realistically punishing a transgressor. Needing to pay for a costly clone upgrade is far more effective than blowing up a ship, as well as inconveniencing the podded.

My ship is worth five times my clone costs. My implants are worth 11 times my clone costs.

All a death tax does is make me avoid using cheap ships such as frigates and cruisers. I would much rather spend that 45 mil on a stabber and provide more content in game.

Seconding the quote.
It's BLOOPING MORONIC idea no matter how much SP you have.

do you really think that suicide ganks would stop? theres no bubbles in HS they just warp to safety and then wait a bit and then they would be suicide ganking again with same efficiency

In all the flailing and hysteria I see in a lot of the responses, it seems that not many have actually considered properly the outcome of a change like this.

As I mentioned, pods would be bubble immune, and so do not worry dictor pilot.

Under this suggestion it would be far easier to keep a pod alive, the only things realistically that could kill one are insta locking ship or mass smart bombs. It would actually be safer for a pod under this sytem, but when the pod does get killed its going to hurt more.

Overall you would actually lose less and my suggestion is less harsh that the current, as pods would be much easier to extract, and so you would lose less in isk terms as expensive implants wouldn't be destroyed as often if you chose to use them.

Also the penalty I suggested is a couple of days, yet I keep seeing replies saying it will be a couple of weeks. Work out the maths, the worst case scenario is a week, and in most cases it would be a couple of days.