EVE General Discussion

Everything is PvP. Then again missions have nearly no competitive component other than salvage thieves and similar creating content.

Had you accepted his duel and won you would have had a 50/50 chance of finding the 'package' in his wreck. In this particular case by taking the mission item the individual in question was trying to make the fight look more attractive to you.
Wait, it wasn't me, was it? I've been known to do that.

Oh I felt dirty quoting that.

PvP isn't always about killing. Its simply one player trying to outdo another player in some capacity. Pressing the undock button carries with it an implied consent to PvP in one form or another.

I sometimes laugh when an industrialist tells me "I don't want to PvP, I want to do industry and market.". Even mission runners are PvPing. What are you doing with your salvage? Did you sell it, or use it to make a rig? if you sold it, then you engaged in some order of pvp in the market. If you made a rig, if you sold it, see the previous statement, if you used it, then you just defeated a player who was trying to sell you one! Every aspect of this game is Player vs player. It might be hard to see at times, but it is there.

True, many folks do use such tactics. I'm usually running solo when flipping, but not always. The thing is that so long as you're suspect you're also open to attack from anyone as well. I've had a target engage, which excited me, and then pick up the batphone.... 8 minutes later the Ishtar lands on grid, drops geckos and wtfpwns me, which made sad. Likewise I occasionally see destroyers come racing to the rescue of besieged mission runners as well.

Its called PvP.
And everything in EvE is PvP.

You mission for example....your getting oppurtunity to get salvage and loot....to be used to to build things or to sell on the market......some loot might be ammo you wont have to buy later...the descions for all of that is PvP related depending what you do with it.
LP you get, again PvP related in the terms of LP items to sell on market or better your mission effeciency......

What ever you do....even PVE activities....you affect yourself and everyone else one way or another.

Look up the butterfly effect trailer.

Noone accuses me of being a decent human being.

Or being decent. Or human.

Well this is usually looked at as an interference of a mission which can be considered legitimate play (and I've been at this since 2006) but if you are a new player or are running the SoE epic arc you might consider then a petition because messing with new players is frowned upon by CCP. You might at the least get your mission reset.


As for the results of said PVe content having PVP influence, I can tell stories going way back. Here is a short list to spare everybody the "Back in My day" drama:

- Going into a mission room and blowing up a spawn trigger.
- Loot stealing back in the day you were only PVP-flagged for the person you stole from and loot was worth stealing.
- If there was a logi involved, suicide jam it to failcascade whoever the logi was helping
- Trickery: hey bud can you rep my ship? Then attack the repper or someone else initiating a concord response on the repper too.

And so on..

Yes most of this is highsec "aggro fu", often considered the lowest form of PVP as it relies more on the victim lacking knowledge than anything else and the antagonist does this with the same amount of "relative safety" as their target (all the while complaining in the forums that their targets do everything in relative safety).

Much of the agro fu has been nerfed.
- You can "blue the wrecks" meaning nobody gets flagged for stealing your loot and possible triggering a response from drones set on aggressive.
- Anybody stealing loot now get a suspect flag and can be attacked by anybody.
- There is now a safety button of three levels to prevent certain actions that get you deeper into a PVP or GCC "flag".
- CCP has gotten a little more active in enforcing the "leave new players alone" directive (aka "Da Rules").



That the player had to challenge you to a duel was a last resort evidently lacking any aggro fu advantage from that point.

Go ahead and petition it at the least if you are dealing with a noob harvester if his name continues to appear on too many petitions he'll be dealt with.

So how long has someone to play the game until they are allowed to experience the actual setting of the game which is a multiplayer sandbox?

If said two month old player is flying a faction battleship you bet your shiny forehead that I'll happily steal from them. And bump them. And generally give them as many reasons as possible to shoot at me. Their trial ended a while ago and I have no way of knowing whether they're truly new or an alt of a bittervet who's carebearing. Either way, they smell like money and if I crack open that pinata there's a solid chance some shiny stuff will fall out.... shiny stuff that could be my stuff if I win.

I am not sure why you think isolating new players for a few months will help them to understand that they are not isolated. It would probably have the completely opposite effect out of very obvious reasons.