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A Question of Ethics - The Fight For Survival of the Minmatar!
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Materia Stone
We Aim To MisBehave
Two Vargurs one Hole
#1 - 2014-11-25 06:13:43 UTC
Hey All,

I've decided to move to the Minmatar! The Minmatar have been over whelmed bythe Amarrian onslaught and have become disillusioned by the constant blockades of stations...

I have blogged on my reasons and call any and everyone to join the just cause to fight for the basic rights of the Minmatar!

http://exploringneweden.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/a-question-of-ethics-plight-of-minmatar.html

Materia Out!

A New player Exploring New Eden

Hitchhiker's Guide to New Eden - See my blog for details of my 'adventures' (changed from the word 'exploits' as I have found out that is a dirty word lol).
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-11-25 06:24:24 UTC


Though I am not by any means a wealthy man, I can assist you in any way I am capable if you ask.

Call me Joe.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2014-11-25 07:22:05 UTC
You are a traitor to your former comrades in the 24IC, to the Amarrian people, and to God.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#4 - 2014-11-25 11:45:06 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
You are a traitor to your former comrades in the 24IC, to the Amarrian people, and to God.

Well at least he is not going to be a slaver, that's for sure.

Congrats, Materia, teach them some lessons about freedom.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Wendrika Hydreiga
#5 - 2014-11-25 13:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Wendrika Hydreiga
I can only approve of people who aren't shackled by what it is expected of them and carve their own path! This is what anarchy is all about!

Fight for what you think it's right Mister Stone! And be sure to keep your tetanus shots up to date!
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2014-11-25 14:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Though you might still find some of your gripes with the 24IC (to a much lesser degree) I wish you good luck!

Happy Hunting!

Big smile
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2014-11-25 14:48:26 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
You are a traitor to your former comrades in the 24IC, to the Amarrian people, and to God.

Well at least he is not going to be a slaver, that's for sure.

Congrats, Materia, teach them some lessons about freedom.

I'm sure he has some to learn, himself.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2014-11-25 14:55:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunarisse Aspenstar
I call to your attention the words in the description of your previous corporation
"Ultima Unitatis [ULTUN]":

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

No one likes a turncoat. I think you'll find you will not rest easy among your new "comrades" either.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#9 - 2014-11-25 15:14:00 UTC
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
I call to your attention the words in the description of your previous corporation:

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

No one likes a turncoat. I think you'll find you will not rest easy among your new "comrades" either.


Maybe he saw the light and decided to fight for a more noble cause? Honestly I hope they see it that way IF that's the case, and hope they give him a few barrage rounds if that's not the case...
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2014-11-25 16:40:20 UTC
Perhaps after years of dedicated service. Generally speaking people do not trust a traitor, even one whose treason benefits them - but it is possible to cross over if you truly feel it in your heart.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-11-25 17:11:47 UTC
Helping savages against the civilization?..
Excuse me, this I can't understand.

Oh, and obligatory, enemy of the Empire means enemy of the State.
AND ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE WILL DIE.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2014-11-25 20:56:39 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
I call to your attention the words in the description of your previous corporation:

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

No one likes a turncoat. I think you'll find you will not rest easy among your new "comrades" either.


Maybe he saw the light and decided to fight for a more noble cause? Honestly I hope they see it that way IF that's the case, and hope they give him a few barrage rounds if that's not the case...


There is no more noble a cause that to stand against the insurgency of the Minmatar in the name of God and to fight for the spiritual liberation of all Mankind.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2014-11-25 23:29:18 UTC
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
I call to your attention the words in the description of your previous corporation:

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

No one likes a turncoat. I think you'll find you will not rest easy among your new "comrades" either.


Maybe he saw the light and decided to fight for a more noble cause? Honestly I hope they see it that way IF that's the case, and hope they give him a few barrage rounds if that's not the case...


There is no more noble a cause that to stand against the insurgency of the Minmatar in the name of God and to fight for the spiritual liberation of all Mankind.


Judging by the fact there is a militia opposing those ideals, its relatively safe to say not everyone shares that sentiment. Nor do I, though I'm not currently enlisted...
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2014-11-25 23:43:40 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
I call to your attention the words in the description of your previous corporation:

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

No one likes a turncoat. I think you'll find you will not rest easy among your new "comrades" either.


Maybe he saw the light and decided to fight for a more noble cause? Honestly I hope they see it that way IF that's the case, and hope they give him a few barrage rounds if that's not the case...


There is no more noble a cause that to stand against the insurgency of the Minmatar in the name of God and to fight for the spiritual liberation of all Mankind.


Judging by the fact there is a militia opposing those ideals, its relatively safe to say not everyone shares that sentiment. Nor do I, though I'm not currently enlisted...


His point does serve as a counterpoint to your own, however. Seriously - the 'nobility' of a cause is very subjective, including that of your own organisation. Anslo views the Scope Works cause as bordering on the holy, whereas a lot of others don't discern a cause there at al.

It's best to use less emotive language if you intend to have a serious discussion.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#15 - 2014-11-25 23:56:55 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:
I call to your attention the words in the description of your previous corporation:

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

No one likes a turncoat. I think you'll find you will not rest easy among your new "comrades" either.


Maybe he saw the light and decided to fight for a more noble cause? Honestly I hope they see it that way IF that's the case, and hope they give him a few barrage rounds if that's not the case...


There is no more noble a cause that to stand against the insurgency of the Minmatar in the name of God and to fight for the spiritual liberation of all Mankind.


Judging by the fact there is a militia opposing those ideals, its relatively safe to say not everyone shares that sentiment. Nor do I, though I'm not currently enlisted...


His point does serve as a counterpoint to your own, however. Seriously - the 'nobility' of a cause is very subjective, including that of your own organisation. Anslo views the Scope Works cause as bordering on the holy, whereas a lot of others don't discern a cause there at al.

It's best to use less emotive language if you intend to have a serious discussion.


The points I made are my own, please don't think they reflect the opinions of Scope Works. Though I will say my choice of words in the initial post could have been better.
Will Ambraelle
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-11-26 01:07:36 UTC
The minmatar will always be seen as a third rate power. I call for the empires to get rid of this infestation.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#17 - 2014-11-26 02:20:50 UTC
Minmatar. They are filthy. They are subhuman. They are pieces of meat. And God has given them over to destruction. Strap them to the altar of God, as Molok the Deceiver was before them. Cut them. Cleave them. Make an offering of their blood unto a holy and righteous God. And have not the slightest pang of conscience doing any of this, but rather take pleasure in it. For at the Judgement, God will welcome you into Paradise, whence you shall spend your delightsome days gazing down on Hell below and watching Minmatar burn. Forever. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#18 - 2014-11-26 03:59:27 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
-Nauplius stuff-

Naups? Shut up.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2014-11-26 04:21:05 UTC
Arguments aside, I have to point out that Mr. Stone is factually incorrect in his claims. He indicates that his decision is influenced by "a "blockades" of stations "that inhibit medical supplies and other basic human necessities from being supplied to the local Minmatar population."

This is factually wrong.

Capsuleers are by CONCORD regulation rendered incapable of enacting absolute blockades against stations outside of nullsec, and I would argue that even those in null are not secure without a constant round-the-clock watch.

A mere prohibition on militia pilots docking does not a medical crisis make.
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2014-11-26 10:29:45 UTC
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
Arguments aside, I have to point out that Mr. Stone is factually incorrect in his claims. He indicates that his decision is influenced by "a "blockades" of stations "that inhibit medical supplies and other basic human necessities from being supplied to the local Minmatar population."

This is factually wrong.

Capsuleers are by CONCORD regulation rendered incapable of enacting absolute blockades against stations outside of nullsec, and I would argue that even those in null are not secure without a constant round-the-clock watch.

A mere prohibition on militia pilots docking does not a medical crisis make.


Moreover I cannot seen any real need for such blockades if in fact they exist.

It is our holy missions to ensure the Matari are placed on the right path. Preventing non combatants from receiving proper medical care and supplies does not aid that cause.
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