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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#901 - 2014-11-25 23:40:28 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.


Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this.

Alt+ tab bound to one key. F1-F8 bound to keys in the same area. Mouse with a control click bind, and use of Window splitting software and UI assimilation to put all the overviews or broadcast historys in a nice perfectly Identical stack if I need to do target acquisition quickly. So, keybinds and specifically allowed functions of software.

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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#902 - 2014-11-25 23:41:33 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.


Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this.



The eula doe snot prevent octopuses from playing the game with 8 mice at same time.


Does eve work on a touch-screen currently?

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#903 - 2014-11-25 23:42:06 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.


Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this.



The eula doe snot prevent octopuses from playing the game with 8 mice at same time.


Or squids.

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Dazamin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#904 - 2014-11-25 23:42:45 UTC
Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too?
Black Ambulance
#905 - 2014-11-25 23:43:37 UTC
February at Evenews24

Devs allowing Isboxer back as there were no Christmas bonuses due to mass unsub
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#906 - 2014-11-25 23:43:37 UTC
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#907 - 2014-11-25 23:46:34 UTC
Godren Storm wrote:
Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought.


Wrong, already explained, no third party software.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#908 - 2014-11-25 23:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Godren Storm wrote:
Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought.


No not even a nibble, a snack, or a roasted peanut.

A completely meaningless connection. A pointless effort to derail the decision.

The rules could not have been made clearer, you may very well not like it.

And you are of course welcome to take your bat and ball away and go and play outside someone else house.

What you will find, is that telling the umpire that you do not like his rules and trying to dictate new ones to him will not advance your cause.

and in no universe, no version of twisted logic, no amount of wanting , will persuade a single player, (other than one who is desperately holding out for a branch like a drowning man), let alone CCP who have made their decision, that fleet warp is in any way the same thing.

The decision is made, Move on. Sell your alts while there are still customers who do not read the forums.
or actually play with them if you prefer.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#909 - 2014-11-25 23:47:34 UTC
Dazamin wrote:
Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too?


Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues?

You mad bro?





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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Nemed Bererund
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#910 - 2014-11-25 23:48:00 UTC
So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?
Artistul
Meet The Fockers
#911 - 2014-11-25 23:48:48 UTC
When you think of fanfest when a CCP was actually encouraging people to use ISBoxer...Change of heart, ha? Good!

I fully endorse this change,

\o/
Alruan Shadowborn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#912 - 2014-11-25 23:49:43 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I remember that lore article.


If you are talking about mine, where from, I just typed it this morning.

If there is somewhere else it has been printed i will remove it, however if there is I may just have the Boxer virus as I have never read it
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#913 - 2014-11-25 23:50:29 UTC
CCP Falcon,

Please add CCP Random's flowchart to the first post.

https://twitter.com/CCP_Random/status/537380608906104833
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#914 - 2014-11-25 23:51:08 UTC
Dazamin wrote:
Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too?


No. Already explained.

For the love of all that is unholy....fleet warp, drone assist, fleet broadcasts via the fleet window in game...none use a third party software.

Given the nonsense on this, let me repeat that....

If it does not use 3rd party software and is part of the client it is by default acceptable, not an exploit, does not need to be removed.

Everyone who has written comments to that effect you should feel ashamed at how horrible you are.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#915 - 2014-11-25 23:51:25 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Nemed Bererund wrote:
So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?



Keep making stuff up, You might eventually make some sense.
The first post is wonderfully clear. Is it a Banned mechanic yes/no? advance to Go or you are bad. no room for confusion there.


Once again it is ALL in the first post, If it is not there, or not already in the EULA you are good to go.

If it is? stop doing whatever it is.

Read it .

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#916 - 2014-11-25 23:55:09 UTC
Alruan Shadowborn wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I remember that lore article.


If you are talking about mine, where from, I just typed it this morning.

If there is somewhere else it has been printed i will remove it, however if there is I may just have the Boxer virus as I have never read it

it rings a bell. or, I just had a serious case of deja vu.

Help, I can't download EVE

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Nemed Bererund
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#917 - 2014-11-25 23:56:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Nemed Bererund
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Nemed Bererund wrote:
So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?



Keep making stuff up, You might eventually make some sense.
The first post is wonderfully clear.
Read it .


Oh I did I just want some clarification on third party apps like the Market crawlers that automate search's in the market browser. Through the IGB

Quote:
This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters
Dazamin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#918 - 2014-11-26 00:00:22 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Dazamin wrote:
Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too?


Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues?

You mad bro?







Well its the behaviour that's the problem surely? Not sure how its achieved is really an issue. But I do think rid of in game fleet warps would be genuinely good for the same reasons as getting rid of out of game methods of key / mouse broadcasting would be. Make each character take their own actions, make their own mistakes, etc.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#919 - 2014-11-26 00:00:31 UTC
Nemed Bererund wrote:
So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?



Actually, there's stuff in play which will make that entirely redundant come Rhea.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#920 - 2014-11-26 00:02:47 UTC
Nemed Bererund wrote:
So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?


Everyone can use it so no unfair advantage.

No, not everyone can use ISBoxer, it has a non-zero price therefore some will be excluded (ok, ISBoxer is free, but the platform it runs on is not, no platform, i.e. no subscription, no ISBoxer).

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online