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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#881 - 2014-11-25 23:15:53 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
speaking of things that should be in the client, here's an idea players might want to get behind. it involves expanding the automation within the client to support all fleet roles that will be eliminated as a result of this ban. I am accused several times in the thread for trolling, but it is a very serious suggestion.

basically, the FC and other fleet command positions will have full control of their leadership tree.

oddly enough, I was about to install ISBoxer for the first time today. I woke up to the TMC article about this announcement.

you could say I'm feeling right as rain right now.

to anyone concerned about the loss of control without ISBoxer: the days of 50-boxing may be gone, but 10-boxing is very doable without ISBoxer, it just takes practice.

Though it breaks my 70 boxing all to heck, as the reaction time needed for that to work is 3-5s on all clients.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Flynn Starfire
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#882 - 2014-11-25 23:16:53 UTC
I can definitely get behind this, mineral prices should and will rise to the values representing proper work hours. Nullsec life will be better without ISBombers... burn the bots!
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#883 - 2014-11-25 23:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Rain6637 wrote:
speaking of things that should be in the client, here's an idea players might want to get behind. it involves expanding the automation within the client to support all fleet roles that will be eliminated as a result of this ban. I am accused several times in the thread for trolling, but it is a very serious suggestion.

basically, the FC and other fleet command positions will have full control of their leadership tree.

oddly enough, I was about to install ISBoxer for the first time today. I woke up to the TMC article about this announcement.

you could say I'm feeling right as rain right now.

to anyone concerned about the loss of control without ISBoxer: the days of 50-boxing may be gone, but 10-boxing is very doable without ISBoxer, it just takes practice.

more automation for everyone was and still is bad idea.
CCP gone the right way.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#884 - 2014-11-25 23:18:14 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

ashley Eoner
#885 - 2014-11-25 23:20:21 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.

VG sites were my only usage for isboxer. I could still do VG sites without it but my times would suffer some and with these changes I still might get banned anyway..
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#886 - 2014-11-25 23:21:23 UTC
Bravo, CCP. Not only is this a good idea, but I suspect you win the tear harvest for the month. :-)
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#887 - 2014-11-25 23:24:42 UTC
WTB Ice Miner character. 100m ISK.

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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#888 - 2014-11-25 23:24:53 UTC
It's going to be hilarious post-ban when every suicide gank victim accuses the gankers of using ISboxer broadcasting & floods CCP with bogus petitions.

RIP Richard A. Butt

Alruan Shadowborn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#889 - 2014-11-25 23:25:01 UTC
They called it the Boxer virus.

No one knew where it came from, some suspected it was a plot by Sansha Kuvakei to take control of the growing legion of capsuleers, others suggested some remnant of long lost sleeper technology.

One thing for sure, it is insipid, permeating the very fabric of New Eden.

It started small, a few capsuleers in one system. But in time it spread, with entire fleets succumbing.

The virus was strange, it didn't damage the host's health, if anything it improved it, but it exerted mind linking properties unlike anything seen before, like a hive-mind creating a fleet of drones, but rather than mechanical drones with simplistic AI, it was a capsuleer piloted drone, capable of flying any ship across the cluster.

As you can imagine, this concerned quite a few the leaders of New Eden, the empires, CONCORD, even some of the Pirate Commanders were worried. Imagine large fleets of ships controlled with a hive mind, a single action performed simultaneously across a fleet.

It was the stuff of nightmares, especially if Kuvakei were behind it and was the puppet master pulling the strings.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

CONCORD Research Center Alpha 357
Yulai
Planet VIII – Moon 10 – Concord Logistic Support
Professor Grian Julkit Falcon
Initial Research Report – Boxer Virus

The virus is strange, near undetectable in it’s dormant state, it increases synaptic speed of capsuleer minds. In and of itself, this is no real concern, with the capsule linking systems achieving much the same during flight.

When the virus is active however, the change is extraordinary. Synaptic speed continues to increase, but beyond that, it seems new links form that allow the mind to transmit and receive information, however only to and from one source.

The fleet that was captured has proven interesting to study, there was one member who appeared less infected than the others, and seemed to exhibit the characteristics of controlling the other “drones” for want of a better term. Interrogation techniques have so far proven futile, with the “controller” yielding no new information.

I have engineered what I hope will prove to be a vaccine against the virus, and with the current production cycle planned, it should commence distribution from 1 January YC117. Given the concern around this virus and the power it could grant to one person if harnessed, vaccination will be compulsory, and conducted in top secret. It should not be too hard to have our agents install Aerosol units on every ship in the cluster when they dock.

I will continue trying to understand this Virus, who made it is truly important. As if it is Kuvakei, the stability of the Empires will be in jeopardy.

But I also highlight, as with any vaccination program, we will not prevent it all, so ongoing monitoring of the Capsuleer population will be necessary to ensure the eradication of this virus is complete.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#890 - 2014-11-25 23:28:12 UTC
Jared Noan wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:



Reading into this, fleet warping could be considered a banable offence.

You want to take out the lawyer talk, so will I.


Fleet warping does not use a 3rd party program, so no. You are quite simply wrong. It uses a function already built into the client by CCP--i.e. it is a designed feature not an exploit.

Roll

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Marilyn Maulerant
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#891 - 2014-11-25 23:28:37 UTC



Seems that the OP here goes 100% against the following line in that page
"Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA."
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#892 - 2014-11-25 23:29:33 UTC
Well whether one agrees with ISOBOXER or not the decision is made and it is clear, There is no room for someone to find any wriggle room whatsoever and those who try, will find that it does not pay.

We are witnessing the Age of an era.

No long will we see herds of mighty hulks sweeping across the open fields of Space, devouring all before them.

No longer will we see the vast flocks of nightmares, their hundreds of lasers cutting across space and wreaking their beautiful but deadly devastation.

We have seen the end in our time, and when we tell those that follow of the days of the mighty Isoboxer fleets, they will say.

"How the hell was that ever allowed?"Lol

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#893 - 2014-11-25 23:33:14 UTC
Marilyn Maulerant wrote:



Seems that the OP here goes 100% against the following line in that page
"Lastly, multiboxing is allowed, and programs designed for multiboxing in mind which allow a player to manually issue the same command to multiple game clients at the same time are allowed. In the same vein as what has been stated above, the player must be manually sending the commands; if a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA."



yes andthey CHANGED their terms. Somethingthey are entitled to. And they are giving a fair warning of 1 month in advance.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#894 - 2014-11-25 23:33:48 UTC
Xython wrote:
Aerious wrote:
Goon tears are the best tears!


You may be misunderstanding a different liquid for tears. This is the best news all month.

Yeah, not all goons are crying about this...

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Eve Vegas 2015 Pub Crawl Group 9

Houston EVE Meet

ashley Eoner
#895 - 2014-11-25 23:34:27 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Well whether one agrees with ISOBOXER or not the decision is made and it is clear, There is no room for someone to find any wriggle room whatsoever and those who try, will find that it does not pay.

We are witnessing the Age of an era.

No long will we see herds of mighty hulks sweeping across the open fields of Space, devouring all before them.

No longer will we see the vast flocks of nightmares, their hundreds of lasers cutting across space and wreaking their beautiful but deadly devastation.

We have seen the end in our time, and when we tell those that follow of the days of the mighty Isoboxer fleets, they will say.

"How the hell was that ever allowed?"Lol

You must be new here...


Only a complete nub would think such things.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#896 - 2014-11-25 23:34:29 UTC
James Baboli wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.


Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this.
Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc.
#897 - 2014-11-25 23:34:40 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Jared Noan wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:


This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:



Reading into this, fleet warping could be considered a banable offence.

You want to take out the lawyer talk, so will I.


Fleet warping does not use a 3rd party program, so no. You are quite simply wrong. It uses a function already built into the client by CCP--i.e. it is a designed feature not an exploit.

Roll


CCP has reconsidered the legality of such cheats in the past. I'm sure that with enough forum posting & whine threads over the next 2 years CCP will see this cheat for what it is.

RIP Richard A. Butt

James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#898 - 2014-11-25 23:36:26 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.

VG sites were my only usage for isboxer. I could still do VG sites without it but my times would suffer some and with these changes I still might get banned anyway..

I'm really glad I made most of my pile before these changes and have now got some decent overall isk, and a couple hundred bill in concord LP I've been too lazy to sell.

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#899 - 2014-11-25 23:37:06 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
RoAnnon wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.

Sure, that's logical, since an AFK cloaked pilot has absolutely no way to interact with the game at all... perfect sense there... Roll


CCP is directly nerfing the force projection that one player can have affect on others in Eve.

What do you think afk cloaking is?

Pirate


It's psychological warfare at best, playing on nullbear fears. I have AFK cloaked my share of systems, but that doesn't change the fact an AFK or Cloaked pilot can not interact with anything in game. A pilot who is both doubly so. When was the last time you were attacked by either an AFK pilot or a cloaked ship?

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

Broadcast4Reps

Eve Vegas 2015 Pub Crawl Group 9

Houston EVE Meet

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#900 - 2014-11-25 23:38:30 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
James Baboli wrote:
I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing.
If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder.

I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens.


I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally.

Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing.


Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this.



The eula doe snot prevent octopuses from playing the game with 8 mice at same time.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"