EVE General Discussion

No, not a troll. In college i used to play this game a lot, only had 2 then three accounts, but paid for by spending my weekends not studying for the classes i was taking (B+ student, cept for math that was like Q-) and getting plex when they were like 300 million.

Now i work like 60 hours a week and make enough that converting an hour of real work to isk > amount of isk i can make in an hour unless i get an officer or something. Leaves me time for doing things like stalking our JF's with the dread fleet and all that, 12 hour long weekend tower bash fleets. You know, the fun stuff.

Don't ban isboxer, ban PLEX :) Im just going to set up isboxer to hot key f3 to next character. f1 and f2 start the gun, f3 rotates though. I can press 3 buttons five times in a second or two and its not replicating clicks!

lots of text about mining...

Multibox miners: Inconvenienced with a very heavy handed ban threat for attempting to save a little time and a lot of clicks.

As a small time multiboxer using 2-3 pilots at most, I am not happy with the changes.
I feel it takes away something from the game that I like to do on a small scale, because it's the only way I feel I can achieve some things in say lowsec without a bloody link-alt.

For me, this is a reason to reconsider paying my 9 accounts with actual cash. (No I don't multibox to plex)

1. Open fitting window
2. Click "Browse"
3. Shift+Drag saved fittings window to existing pile of chat windows

Perhaps add a "little things" post asking for saved fittings to be faster to apply (e.g.: drag to hangar or double-click or right-click->apply).

Breaking down what a miner actually does that does and does not require broadcasting

1: undock (broadcast)
2: Squad warp to belt/bookmark (not a broadcast)
3: Launch drones (broadcast)
4: assist drones to overwatch (broadcast)
5: regroup command (not a broadcast)
6: cycle through each ship to put a laser on a different rock (not a broadcast)
7: jetcan ore or drag to an existing can (broadcast)
8: Squad warp out to POS when done (not a broadcast)
9: Dock when needed (broadcast)

So for mining the only difference will be:
I'll have to dock and undock each ship manually
Launch and assist drones on each ship manually
jetcan the ore from each ship manually

This isn't really that much more difficult to do, and if it means I make more on my harvest and pay less for my plexes because of all the people that quit, then so be it, can't say I'm pleased though. I just don't see how any of this should be a bannable offense.

Now for PvP
Gate camp:

1: squad warp to gate (not a broadcast)
2: launch drones (broadcast)
3: Assist drones (broadcast)
4: Manually go through and fix all the drones that didn't propery launch or assist (not a broadcast)
5: Activate various perma-running modules (broadcast)
6: Manually go through and fix all the modules that didn't properly activate (not a broadcast)

I can still do this manually, it just adds set up time. Bannable offense? meh.

Rapid deployment, giving chase through gates, and maneuvering were already difficult and prone to problems even with broadcasting, now it is more or less out of the question.

non-drone based pvp is also more or less out of the question, except perhaps capitals where you can have more breathing room between clicks (except for jumping in and out could get tricky, perhaps jump them in one at a time and get it set up)

So bombers nerfed out of existence, these were the focus of most of the calls for the nerfbat, so success there.

Suicide catalysts nerfed out of existence, lesser extent than the bombers, but no love lost there.

Multibox miners: Inconvenienced with a very heavy handed ban threat for attempting to save a little time and a lot of clicks.
Take that you exploiting evil multiboxer, if this doesn't work we will try...THE COMFY CHAIR!!!!

-Soul

I and many of my corp-mates multi-box mine, rat, and/or pvp.
When a roam comes through and sees mackinaws and skiffs, their faces turn to delight as they warp in.
There is nothing more satisfying than wiping that smug off their faces with a drone swarm of death.

I do have to ask, however, what your definition of "impact in eve" is. A miner multiboxing 40+ accounts can have a major impact in the industry of an alliance, be it big or small, by undercutting regular single-toon miners. A VG runner with 10 clients (such as myself) can sink a market by hoarding LP and then dumping it when he has around 10m LP on each toon (about 11b raw isk if he sells in on the CONCORD LP channel, or skywards of 3k ISK/LP if he is a manufacturer).

Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:

• EVE Online client settings
• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)
• The login process

ISBoxer isn't banned.

Essentially it is. There's no point paying 50 dollar per year for only the permission to rearrange my screens.

PLEX prices will drop as demand from the people who currently don't care how high the price is will lessen in the short term.

Once PLEX prices drop, people that DO care how high the price became will begin reactivating accounts. This number will obviously be far larger than the number of multi box accounts lost.

The more PLEX that change hands (usually a symptom of healthy moderate prices) the more actual cash CCP makes.

Some KVM have a broadcast mode. Commonly used for imaging 30 computers at once.

That is what I wasn't getting. Not to use broadcast for anything. Why could ccp not explain it as simply as that. I understand now. I can live without using broadcast at all. Thank you kraken11 for explaining that key point I'd missed.