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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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GIZMOdk
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#701 - 2014-11-25 20:49:49 UTC
About time! Thanks a lot CCP! A increasing trend towards using cetain tools to multibox has made me unsure of whenever I wanted to keep playing this game or not. No more 1 man armies of death \o/
Gavin Nordoff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#702 - 2014-11-25 20:49:50 UTC
Stop making me like these cahnges ccp.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#703 - 2014-11-25 20:50:45 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Curse you, CCP! Now what am I to use to scapegoat all my problems!?


Grrr goons?
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#704 - 2014-11-25 20:51:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
Yes and No. What CCP should have done was ban it entirely. You forget that most use DX nothing and not multi. DX nothing takes more prep work but once you have it set right it runs circles around multi.

So, maybe some do but on the high side most don't. Plain and simple which is why I said it to begin with. Hop on over there and take a look un the eve side. Will tell you exactly how much DX nothing is used over the multi.




The point is that is exactly why they are banning the behavior they want to eliminate, not the software. Nobody really cares if you have to individually click on each account to make an action, that still takes time and mental coordination.... even if you conveniently have them lined up side by side. People do mind when it's "one click to rule them all".

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#705 - 2014-11-25 20:52:00 UTC
Cyrus Doul wrote:
Mumm. more like pay to efficently use the UI. If i could have a little loadout window that had like 3 buttons that said

Cap
Shoot
Turtle

without having to dig all five accounts deep into the fittings pages



  1. Open fitting window
  2. Click "Browse"
  3. Shift+Drag saved fittings window to existing pile of chat windows


Perhaps add a "little things" post asking for saved fittings to be faster to apply (e.g.: drag to hangar or double-click or right-click->apply).

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Bakuhz
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#706 - 2014-11-25 20:52:04 UTC
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
RoAnnon wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.

Sure, that's logical, since an AFK cloaked pilot has absolutely no way to interact with the game at all... perfect sense there... Roll


CCP is directly nerfing the force projection that one player can have affect on others in Eve.

What do you think afk cloaking is?

Pirate



one player one account stop crying about AFK cloaking and learn to deal with it!!
If you have not found a way by now to counter such things maybe farmville is your thing?
any case blizzard might listen to tears of this magnitude!

Pirate

https://zkillboard.com/character/584042527/
Porucznik Borewicz
GreenSwarm
#707 - 2014-11-25 20:53:05 UTC
Hahahahaha! Rekt! Good luck selling all those fine named characters.Lol
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#708 - 2014-11-25 20:54:21 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
RoAnnon wrote:
Artemis Dalvik wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
So, does this mean no more Mac support?


wtf does this have to do with mac support?

I use MAC and have no idea what this could possibly do to my gameplay


I have one word for you - Applescript


Nerfing your ability to use a system's scripting platform to broadcast input to multiple clients is not anywhere near close to nerfing the users of that platform across the board.

I'm a Mac user, and to be perfectly honest it would never have occurred to me to control EVE clients through AppleScript--though, granted, that's because I usually control one, and at most two, accounts at once on a single monitor, and those two accounts are usually doing distinctly different things.

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Mike Vandenberg
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#709 - 2014-11-25 20:54:50 UTC
This disappoints me. I don't use ISBoxer but don't have a problem with people who use it to multibox. I know CCP Falcon is stating that multiboxing isn't banned....but inhertited with multi-boxing is keyboard multiplexing either through software or hardware and this has always been ok. I think this is a little overkill. I think it hurts everyone. I can appreciate banning macros but banning people who are sitting in front of the computer, running multiple accounts, using the keyboard or mouse to control the accounts, what a disappointment.

Next you're going to want to ban multiple accounts, or ip bans, or other equaly stupid moves. As a person who pays for my multiple accounts with cash, I give two thumbs down on this decision.

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#710 - 2014-11-25 20:55:47 UTC
Mike Vandenberg wrote:
This disappoints me. I don't use ISBoxer but don't have a problem with people who use it to multibox. I know CCP Falcon is stating that multiboxing isn't banned....but inhertited with multi-boxing is keyboard multiplexing either through software or hardware and this has always been ok. I think this is a little overkill. I think it hurts everyone. I can appreciate banning macros but banning people who are sitting in front of the computer, running multiple accounts, using the keyboard or mouse to control the accounts, what a disappointment.

Next you're going to want to ban multiple accounts, or ip bans, or other equaly stupid moves. As a person who pays for my multiple accounts with cash, I give two thumbs down on this decision.

It doesn't hurt me. I have never used input multiplexing to multibox in Eve.

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RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#711 - 2014-11-25 20:56:46 UTC
prior ISboxers nerf CCP should remove botters from nullsecs
Apo Lamperouge
#712 - 2014-11-25 20:56:53 UTC
Mike Vandenberg wrote:
This disappoints me. I don't use ISBoxer but don't have a problem with people who use it to multibox. I know CCP Falcon is stating that multiboxing isn't banned....but inhertited with multi-boxing is keyboard multiplexing either through software or hardware and this has always been ok. I think this is a little overkill. I think it hurts everyone. I can appreciate banning macros but banning people who are sitting in front of the computer, running multiple accounts, using the keyboard or mouse to control the accounts, what a disappointment.

Next you're going to want to ban multiple accounts, or ip bans, or other equaly stupid moves. As a person who pays for my multiple accounts with cash, I give two thumbs down on this decision.



Doesn't hurt me.

One. Single. Bit.

Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#713 - 2014-11-25 20:57:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Systimus wrote:

You aren't making much sense my friend.

Multiple accounts are still fine.

Using ISBoxer to control them all with simultaneously is not fine.

Are you seriously asking us to believe that if the program you use to "auto pilot or dock" your 4 accounts with is taken away things will become to complicated for you and you'll need to cancel accounts? REALLY? Big smile


The opening post stated the following;

'Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters'

This rules out more or less any use of ISBOXER to activate an autopilot button, or to dock my 4 accounts simultaneously. As I have stated previously, I don't pvp and have 4 accounts all of which I pay real money for each month. I don't consider myself to have an unfair advantage as I am paying for all 4 accounts. If anyone else wants to pay for more than 4 accounts they would have an advantage over me. good luck to them. Maybe get rid of plex's and stop macro miners self funding their players if that what the problem is.

I don't agree with macro mining and look dimly on those that do. I don't and have never plex'd any of my accounts - I pay real money each month for all 4 accounts. One account I have had for nearly 10 years. A second account, 9.5 years. I enjoy mining as I find it relaxing but mining with one account is boring but I find it much more enjoyable with 4. I don't make huge use of multi-broadcasting but I might use it to dock or maybe activate the autopilot which I consider to be trivial but would carry the same penalty as someone caught multi-broadcasting to 80 accounts. I find ISBOXER convenient to use but I may find myself at the wrong end of CCP action should I accidently use a function I shouldn't. And yes, if I find myself subject to a 30 day ban that I felt unjust, I will be looking elsewhere for an online game to play.


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You are overreacting.

In a nutshell for isboxers this does two things that i can think of:

1. It bans the use of the broadcast all feature.
2. It bans the use of clickbars that send commands to multiple characters.

Precisely, it's pretty simple.
I have a hard time believing that he can't get it through his head not to use broadcast all for ANYTHING.... or to take seriously his claim he would quit if he can't broadcast auto pilot or dock.

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#714 - 2014-11-25 20:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.

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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#715 - 2014-11-25 20:57:28 UTC
Mike Vandenberg wrote:
This disappoints me. I don't use ISBoxer but don't have a problem with people who use it to multibox. I know CCP Falcon is stating that multiboxing isn't banned....but inhertited with multi-boxing is keyboard multiplexing either through software or hardware and this has always been ok. I think this is a little overkill. I think it hurts everyone. I can appreciate banning macros but banning people who are sitting in front of the computer, running multiple accounts, using the keyboard or mouse to control the accounts, what a disappointment.

Next you're going to want to ban multiple accounts, or ip bans, or other equaly stupid moves. As a person who pays for my multiple accounts with cash, I give two thumbs down on this decision.


I multibox all the time and don't use broadcasting software. This change doesn't hurt me in the slightest

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Valterra Craven
#716 - 2014-11-25 20:58:34 UTC
Mike Vandenberg wrote:
This disappoints me. I don't use ISBoxer but don't have a problem with people who use it to multibox. I know CCP Falcon is stating that multiboxing isn't banned....but inhertited with multi-boxing is keyboard multiplexing either through software or hardware and this has always been ok. I think this is a little overkill. I think it hurts everyone. I can appreciate banning macros but banning people who are sitting in front of the computer, running multiple accounts, using the keyboard or mouse to control the accounts, what a disappointment.

Next you're going to want to ban multiple accounts, or ip bans, or other equaly stupid moves. As a person who pays for my multiple accounts with cash, I give two thumbs down on this decision.



I don't think it bans macros since macros can be used to do things on one account and I believe the rules are structured in a way that it only matters when a macro sends commands to more than one client.
Apo Lamperouge
#717 - 2014-11-25 20:58:47 UTC
Porucznik Borewicz wrote:
Hahahahaha! Rekt! Good luck selling all those fine named characters.Lol



1 isk each, buying, seller pays all CCP costs etc etc etc

I'll put em to good cloaky use somewhere

Sometimes a knife right through your heart is exactly what you need.
Aequitae
De Vliegende Hollander.
Dracarys.
#718 - 2014-11-25 21:01:50 UTC
As a small time multiboxer using 2-3 pilots at most, I am not happy with the changes.
I feel it takes away something from the game that I like to do on a small scale, because it's the only way I feel I can achieve some things in say lowsec without a bloody link-alt.

For me, this is a reason to reconsider paying my 9 accounts with actual cash. (No I don't multibox to plex)
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#719 - 2014-11-25 21:03:27 UTC
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if thousands of illegal multibox miners suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I am confident something awesome has happened.

Evil RatKid
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#720 - 2014-11-25 21:04:03 UTC
I like it, I like it a lot.

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