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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#521 - 2014-11-25 19:17:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tappits
EVE Online client settings
• Window positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating system’s desktop environment)
• The login process


Yay... because that's all i use Isboxer for so i am not concerned any more. Thanks CCP for sorting this out.

Maybe you should also sort were you can run multiple trial accounts in windows by setting each .EXE file to different Compatibility modes while your at ti.
Daniel Jackson
Universal Exos
#522 - 2014-11-25 19:17:42 UTC
Utari Onzo wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ?


The easiest explanation is if you push one button, and it sends the command to multiple accounts at the same time it's NOT OK.

Using ISBox to 'tile' your clients on one monitor, but then manually inputting a command to each individual client is OK.

o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function

and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly


is both illegal now?

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#523 - 2014-11-25 19:17:44 UTC
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.

If you never used it to do anything other than auto pilot or dock, why would this bother you at all? Smile

You should probably get your story straight.

Personally I don't care one way or the other, but there are a few good points to all this.

1: Restrictions on bomber use don't have to be as severe.
2: More people will be able to make their living mining.
3: Wealth is better distributed across the general population of miners.
4: PLEX prices will drop quickly, which will be welcome news to many.

To explain the latter, your average ISBoxer miner pays for all of his accounts with PLEX purchased off the market with ISK. His tolerance for higher PLEX prices is MUCH higher than the average EVE player due to his extremely high income stream per account he is funding. In other words, the large number of "high rollers" providing a steady market for over priced PLEX will be sharply and suddenly curtailed.

Which I never had a problem with ISBoxer being in game, even I have to admit this helps to solve a lot of problems.

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#524 - 2014-11-25 19:17:56 UTC
Makhpella wrote:
Hi CPP if I warp squad do I get banned?


Yes, now give me your stuff.

CCP, good job. I support.

I wonder what it will do for mineral prices however...
Partricia Solette
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#525 - 2014-11-25 19:18:07 UTC
meh i think this is a bad call by ccp people are going to unsub accounts and stuff even if they just plex there account those plexes are still payed by some1.

prices of modules and ships are going to go up and everything
TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#526 - 2014-11-25 19:19:06 UTC
Lord Moridin wrote:
Am I the only one who want a definition to the definition?

What's the difference between this macro definition and this input & broadcasting definition?
Some practical examples of what is OK and what is NOT OK would be nice.

Perhaps the explanation is there but threadnought is +30 pages now.


IT was stated clearly:
Automation = a user doesnt do anything and the accounts act as if some one is there
Input multiplying = a person playing on multiple accounts and clicking once, but the same command goes to 10 other screens


A macro to mine would start a mining laser, dock at station, move the ore to the hangar, undock, and mine again. As such, the user does little to no input.

If I was using broadcasting a mining laser would start where I clicked or hotkeyed, all other acocunts on the broadcast would receive that. So I click mine one time for 10 miners to start mining. I still have to manually dock, warp and so on but I do it at the very least for one account and all the accounts follow.
Systimus
Doomheim
#527 - 2014-11-25 19:19:29 UTC
Airi Cho wrote:
Systimus wrote:
I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.

Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead.


lol ... seriously ... 4 toon mining and you needed isboxer for it? good god, kids are lazy nowadays.


It's just easier to use it than without. I don't macro mine and look dimly on those who do. Also, I am 44 years old. Not a kid
Dazamin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#528 - 2014-11-25 19:19:31 UTC
CCP Falcon, mind explaining why the punishments for something that has previously been allowed in game are more severe then they have ever been for actual botting? Up until this point completely automated botting had a three strike policy, why is someone playing the game using input broadcasting considered worse?

Also are you intending to devote more resources to catching people using various forms of automation? Since it is already a large problem before you add more bannable offences.
edvinb
Amazystems
#529 - 2014-11-25 19:19:58 UTC
This are some good changes.

What i fear most is that if someone sees 4-5 guys flying in a team.. they will be reported for EULA violations / boting / isboxing and what not.

I have adapted to these changes now, so im all good.

+1 for you CCP.

- Edvinb
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#530 - 2014-11-25 19:20:15 UTC
Angus McRothimay wrote:
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
Zishy Linaris wrote:
goodbye ccp. 12 accounts unsubbed as of now. i feel bullshitted for my time i invested but **** happens


I've a feeling that, by this rate - this thread is going to account for more unsubbed characters than there were ever subbed.

(Obligatory your stuff, can i haz remark)



I am sure that many accounts will be 'unsubbed' now that that they cannot be isboxed to cover the cost of subscription....

However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.



What exploit? i use 3 accounts. and i pay With real Money on them all, so tell me?
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#531 - 2014-11-25 19:20:17 UTC  |  Edited by: 350125GO
I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if hundreds of asshats suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly unsubscribed.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#532 - 2014-11-25 19:20:29 UTC
WTB - PLEX when it hits 400M again.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#533 - 2014-11-25 19:20:50 UTC
eiedu wrote:
RIP incursions
RIP Ratting
RIP bombing

Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts

How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise


If you have to ask you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Rear Admiral Charlie
Dank Krabs and Spicy Memes
Rainbow Knights
#534 - 2014-11-25 19:21:05 UTC
Servant's Lord wrote:
As the CEO of a corp with a high population of multiboxers and an Isboxer myself(10-15 chars), I fully support these changes.

What these changes will have a large effect on/kill:

-Retards who put little effort into their isboxer setups
-People running ridiculous amounts of characters (>25)


These changes won't affect me and my corp much at all since we don't fall into either of those two categories(a few of my guys panicked without thinking, I've since sat down and had a chat with folks and explained how this doesn't hurt us at all). We don't use broadcasting for anything necessary, and the end result is that things we do only a handful of times in a play session take us 15-20 seconds instead of 3-5.

The tears in this thread have been great from the retards who can't adapt, and the horribly misguided smug from all the retards who believe this will kill isboxer is even better. ;)

I won't be going anywhere, nor will I be unsubbing any of my accounts over this change, nor will my corp(and all our multiboxers) be affected by this change.

+1 CCP for kicking out the retards, and +1 for making plex prices eat ****. I will likely be resubbing a few more chars if plex prices keep dropping. ;)


you sir are an inspiration
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#535 - 2014-11-25 19:22:23 UTC
Mierin Arthie wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.

How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


That's command broadcasting/multiplexing and it still falls under the policy. They said regardless if it's a hardware or software solution.

Using a stick with a lever to manipulate 10 mice to do the same thing at the same time to multibox would even be covered under this.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#536 - 2014-11-25 19:22:50 UTC
Dazamin wrote:
CCP Falcon, mind explaining why the punishments for something that has previously been allowed in game are more severe then they have ever been for actual botting? Up until this point completely automated botting had a three strike policy, why is someone playing the game using input broadcasting considered worse?

Also are you intending to devote more resources to catching people using various forms of automation? Since it is already a large problem before you add more bannable offences.


Botting is also on a two strike policy.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#537 - 2014-11-25 19:23:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Jvpiter wrote:
Angus McRothimay wrote:
However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.



The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion.


Less buyers who buy PLEX no matter the cost. Smile

The usual market forces should kick in now and start balancing things out at a more normal level.

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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#538 - 2014-11-25 19:24:00 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Mierin Arthie wrote:
How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


That doesn't broadcast, it just changes where input goes - it should be fine.


Wrong
it broadcasts a single command to multiple systems

Still applies.

Seriously people.... reading comprehension

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.  He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#539 - 2014-11-25 19:24:13 UTC
Taram Caldar wrote:
Mierin Arthie wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.

How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


That's command broadcasting/multiplexing and it still falls under the policy. They said regardless if it's a hardware or software solution.

Using a stick with a lever to manipulate 10 mice to do the same thing at the same time to multibox would even be covered under this.



it is not multiplexing unless the kvm switch allows signal duplication. 1:1 sending is fine.
Doctor Bonn Young
Drunken Reprobates
#540 - 2014-11-25 19:24:14 UTC
Do we get medals and presents if we report our ISK-boxing neighbours after 1-1-2015? Twisted