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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#361 - 2014-11-25 18:17:43 UTC
u know nothing about whine, just wait a bit, those who stockpiled plexes will come very soon
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#362 - 2014-11-25 18:18:03 UTC
Big +1 on the decision, but I'm worried it doesn't go far enough. People will just purchase more screens, and manually control multiple accounts. It'll be harder, surely, but it's still viable to manually control a 10 ship tornado gank fleet or procurer mining fleet. The only sure way to get rid of multiboxing, and entitle everyone equally to the actions of one character at a time, is to get rid of multiboxing entirely.
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#363 - 2014-11-25 18:18:48 UTC
KeeperRus wrote:
I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.


It's pretty easy to detect the software. It runs in the EVE client's memory space. According to the CSM minutes, CCP gathered statistics on ISBoxer use.

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Tiberian Deci
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2014-11-25 18:18:58 UTC
Not much to say other than I'm completely OK with this. PLEX prices may go down, everything else may get more expensive, but if it makes the game healthier I'm all for it.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#365 - 2014-11-25 18:19:49 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Big +1 on the decision, but I'm worried it doesn't go far enough. People will just purchase more screens, and manually control multiple accounts. It'll be harder, surely, but it's still viable to manually control a 10 ship tornado gank fleet or procurer mining fleet. The only sure way to get rid of multiboxing, and entitle everyone equally to the actions of one character at a time, is to get rid of multiboxing entirely.

This will probably never happen. This game is pretty much impossible to play on any meaningful level without multiboxing.

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#366 - 2014-11-25 18:20:09 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
EvilweaselFinance wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Wait - hold on, just thought of something -


G15 and related keyboards are now banned??? They allow one keyboard click to do F1-F8 simultaneously

Although grouping guns in game does the same thing - except smartbombs




Quote:
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.




Yeah, so that means my Core OS - OSX and my keyboard are both not allowed

Kinda sucks, not going to buy windows to run the stinking game

I sure as hell won't buy a new keyboard


so stupid, if you want to ban isboxer fine, but leave the mac guys out of it

Perfect example of 'not getting it' right here folks. ^

Of course Falcon's blog post implies that not only is the main functionality of isboxer banned, but also that all Mac clients and G15 keyboards are as well. That Falcon, so evil. Amirite?

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#367 - 2014-11-25 18:20:18 UTC
Mierin Arthie wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.

How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


That would be keyboard multiplexing. The definitions in the OP are pretty clear.

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CCP Falcon
#368 - 2014-11-25 18:21:16 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:
CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567

But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients).

Quote:
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters


So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.


Multiboxing is not against the rules. Read the OP again.


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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#369 - 2014-11-25 18:21:29 UTC
LOL @PLEX market crashing btw Too bad I just bought some this morning -.-
Zechariah Jericho
The Sleeping Knights
#370 - 2014-11-25 18:21:48 UTC
Guys the toxic is getting high
Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.

last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL"
Radkiel
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#371 - 2014-11-25 18:21:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mharius Skjem wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Fonac wrote:
So is-boxer is banned?

edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it.



isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.


Well that's clear as mud.



Well that was a CSM post, the Dev post is the one that I am interested in. That made it pretty clear IS boxer is banned.


They didnt ban IS boxer, just everything it doesBlink


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Kronarn
Dirty Old Bastards
Random Violence.
#372 - 2014-11-25 18:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kronarn
This is interesting. I know a few people who mine with 20+ clients using ISBOXER, there is no way anyone will mine with 5 maybe 10 accounts or more without a tool to help such as ISBOXER, now the question is, will they quit eve seeing as they only mine?

Will the cost of capitals go through the roof again? Will the cost of all things go through the roof.

Looking forward to seeing the outcome of the end result here.

I use ISBOXER at times to mine ice (10 accounts) and I don't think I could be bothered managing 10 clients to mine ice or ore, that would be so painful Lol

I also don't plex my accounts, I don't have enough time to make 10b a month just to be able to login, I pay for everyone of them.

Really love the new strategy of CCP, I genuinly hope this does what they intend it to do and it's not a negative backlash to the subscriber base.

As of my post, trit is already up 3 isk in jita.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#373 - 2014-11-25 18:22:21 UTC
Zechariah Jericho wrote:
Guys the toxic is getting high
Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.

last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL"

This is a lie.

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Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#374 - 2014-11-25 18:22:39 UTC
Seandals wrote:
Soooo...

What if we used wooden dowels: https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/_/rsrc/1300193073723/home/closeup2.jpg ?

from https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/oldrigs




What part of "it doesn't matter nhow the broadcasting or multiplexing is accomplished" was unclear to you?

It's really not that difficult to understand ladies and gentleman. If you press 1 key and 1 client responds you're fine. If you press one key and more than one client responds, you're ******.

Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!

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kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
#375 - 2014-11-25 18:22:45 UTC
I suppse one off my friends going to unsub 28 accounts when he see this. lol. Well, He got other games he can sub to that allows this. so, Yeah. Also i got 2-3 other friends that proably also.. Dam, all the People i know who multibox're Nice... lol, if this going to make them quit. Idk what to do then.. Well, abount total 60 accounts across them all. so, Yeah.. (just facts tho, but idk what to say) it's allways possible that i missread something here. Question
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#376 - 2014-11-25 18:22:46 UTC
Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:
Mierin Arthie wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.

How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


That would be keyboard multiplexing. The definitions in the OP are pretty clear.


No, KVM switch is just that - a switch. It connects you to one computer at a time, not multiple.

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Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#377 - 2014-11-25 18:22:58 UTC
Zechariah Jericho wrote:
Guys the toxic is getting high
Was in the middle of showing a friend this game, got to general discussion "what's that?" >>> 6 minutes later he decides he doesn't want to play because of our community and how badly we're reacting to the news that people cannot play the way they want to.

last words of the discussion were (and I quote) "Some sandbox, lets just go play LoL"

And? If he can't understand how awfully detrimental to the game it is to have people single-handedly manning giant fleets of ships, then well...I guess we're better off without him?

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#378 - 2014-11-25 18:23:01 UTC
Good call. And also good to see that you still allow some room for certain things (login in this case).

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Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#379 - 2014-11-25 18:23:08 UTC
Better late than never, CCP. GJ, finally.
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#380 - 2014-11-25 18:23:21 UTC
KeeperRus wrote:
I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.


Easy.

Multiple accounts, multtiple clients, all logged in from the same machine / IP address, all payed with plex, using the same fitting, following the same commands without delays, sitting in the same system and in a lot of cases running more than 2-3 clients at the same time.

It's like spotting a fish swarm within an area where only individual/single fish float around.