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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Sir Constantin
#341 - 2014-11-25 18:11:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Constantin
Goodbye ISBoxers!
We wont miss you as you barely generate any content, only isk printing and deflation.
If -10 isboxer = +2 real players that's a win for the game.

I'm gonna start paying for my alts just to counter the isboxer unsub rage!
Kant Boards
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#342 - 2014-11-25 18:11:54 UTC
Strata Maslav wrote:
The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.

This change will not effect my over all eve game play. I am not a heavy user of the broadcast function of the Isboxing software. I mainly use it to manage my windows and have used the controversial 'Isboxer broadcast + bomber' combination with 5 characters only once.

Recently and before this u-turn by CCP, I did invest in a couple more accounts but this recent change has pretty much condemned them to be immediately unsubbed. Even with this action the 'investment' of time and money that I have put into these accounts feels like it has been wasted.

I purchased these subscriptions from CCP to play their game in a specific fashion which at the time was considered legitimate by CCP. I have liked the direction that CCP have been moving towards with EVE Online and I will by no means be quitting the game due to this change but I do have a bad taste left in my mouth.

I cannot speculate CCP's reasoning for announcing this today but the delay on making this statement has caused some people supporting the game to feel they have been deceived.

You can still use it to manage windows dummy you just cant broadcast mouse clicks and key commands to those 5 windows
Mmmmm Danone Aulmais
Moon Of The Pheonix
#343 - 2014-11-25 18:12:24 UTC
I will with grate joy take all free stuff from but hurt IS boxers.

Grater joy will be had if it comes from a big alliance.
Ancy Denaries
Frontier Venture
#344 - 2014-11-25 18:12:30 UTC
Sarah Flynt wrote:
Who are you and what have you done to the CCP as we knew it (not only this change but what's been happening over maybe the last half year)?

The irony is that a woman had to take the helm in order for CCP to grow some balls.

I love it. Keep it up!

That made me lol. For real. I mean as in the real "laugh out loud". ^^ Thank you!

"Shoot at anything that moves. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway, it might move later."

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Niko Fudan
Doomheim
#345 - 2014-11-25 18:12:37 UTC
eiedu wrote:
RIP incursions
RIP Ratting
RIP bombing

Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts

How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise

One less Goon. Mission accomplished

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#346 - 2014-11-25 18:12:40 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:

No other MMO restricts this? NCSoft bans ISBoxer from its games.


Heh NCsoft. NCsoft lets full blown bot parties run rampant. Ever play Lineage 2?

Probably the reason they ban IsBoxer is because they don't get a cut of the sales.

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Bisu Deckryder
Definitely Not Cloaked LLC
#347 - 2014-11-25 18:13:02 UTC
ShadowandLight wrote:
CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567

But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients).

Quote:
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.

This includes, but isn’t limited to:

• Activation and control of ships and modules
• Navigation and movement within the EVE universe
• Movement of assets and items within the EVE universe
• Interaction with other characters


So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.


Multi boxxing is not the same thing as input duplication. I begin to suspect that people in this thread haven't read the whole OP, much less the entire thread.
KeeperRus
Doomheim
#348 - 2014-11-25 18:13:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
KeeperRus wrote:
I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.


If they are banning its use after all this time then its safe to say they figured out how.



They haven't.
Astroyka
IXXAXAAR
#349 - 2014-11-25 18:13:15 UTC
I think this is great news for EvE as a whole. I really don't think the unsubs will hit CCP that hard since most of the multiboxers were probably "paying" for their accounts with PLEX anyway.

I concur with many that this will affect mineral prices, but in the long run this will be good for the game and new players too. As for people multiboxing PvP, I won't be sad to see them go!

Astroyka

A New Eden pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden

www.astroyka.net

@Astroyka
Sentenced 1989
#350 - 2014-11-25 18:13:24 UTC
I would like to know if having my extra mouse key set to press ctrl + f1 + f2 + f3 + f4 + f5 in period of 1 second is considered as breach of EULA?

The Incursion Guild

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Konrad Kane
#351 - 2014-11-25 18:13:29 UTC
Great news, now ban o/ in local
Cor'len
Doomheim
#352 - 2014-11-25 18:13:42 UTC
Awesome! I'm all for it.

Also super happy they're not going "ARGH NO 3RD PARTY THINGS EVEN LOOKING AT OUR CLIENT"; means I can still continue using various tools to rearrange things to suit my tastes. I just don't replicate inputs.


Very good move, CCP!
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#353 - 2014-11-25 18:14:19 UTC
rip in ****, isbotter :D
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#354 - 2014-11-25 18:14:47 UTC
KeeperRus wrote:



They haven't.


How do you know?
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#355 - 2014-11-25 18:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaaeliaa
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"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Ginger Barbarella
#356 - 2014-11-25 18:16:06 UTC
Strata Maslav wrote:
The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.


Um, wut? CCP has never approved opf or overtly allowed botting (ignoring the black-hat large alliance botting). All they've really done is further define what's what in terms of third-party tools and mechanisms used to control action in multiple clients. They still don't allow botting any more than they did a month ago. What's the problem?

There are other games that allow automated farming: go there. Those of us that respect the spirit of the game don't want you or your kind here.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#357 - 2014-11-25 18:16:30 UTC
The EULA also has a provision that allows CCP to change the game however they want, including in ways that might be detrimental to your choice of gameplay, without owing you anything.

It's pretty safe to say that there was significant decision WRT the bottom line involved in making this decision.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Astroyka
IXXAXAAR
#358 - 2014-11-25 18:16:42 UTC
KeeperRus wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
KeeperRus wrote:
I wonder how exactly this will change anything. CCP can not detect the software, so how will CCP know if it's being used? Exactly.


If they are banning its use after all this time then its safe to say they figured out how.



They haven't.


It really isn't that hard, everything is logged, all they need is:


  • User ID
  • IP Address
  • Action
  • Timestamp


A simple stored procedure to query for duplicate timestamps that correlate to a single IP... done.

Astroyka

A New Eden pilot, fighting against slavery in New Eden

www.astroyka.net

@Astroyka
Anslo
Scope Works
#359 - 2014-11-25 18:16:46 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
Strata Maslav wrote:
The SMUG in this thread is pretty sickening not very conducive for discussion. I play and love the same game you guys do and unfortunately I will be removing some of my monetary support from this game as a result of a decision that CCP has made out of the blue.

This change will not effect my over all eve game play. I am not a heavy user of the broadcast function of the Isboxing software. I mainly use it to manage my windows and have used the controversial 'Isboxer broadcast + bomber' combination with 5 characters only once.

Recently and before this u-turn by CCP, I did invest in a couple more accounts but this recent change has pretty much condemned them to be immediately unsubbed.

I purchased these subscriptions from CCP to play their game in a specific fashion which at the time was considered legitimate by CCP at the time. I have liked the direction that CCP have been moving towards with EVE Online and I will by no means be quitting the game due to this change but I do have a bad taste left in my mouth.

I cannot speculate CCP's reasoning for announcing this today but the delay on making this statement has caused some people supporting the game to feel they have been deceived.


Get the **** out. Nobody lied to you - YOU chose to create additional accounts, YOU agreed to the EULA, which has stated since time out of mind that automation is not allowed, YOU chose to ignore the obvious as **** fact that a third-party program allowing you to control more clients than a human could is the very definition of automation (regardless of CCP's silence), now YOU have to deal with the consequences.

Why don't you try actually PLAYING the game for once, scrubbie? You might actually have fun, although you'll have to make some ******* friends first, because this is an MMO.


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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#360 - 2014-11-25 18:17:38 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Fonac wrote:
So is-boxer is banned?

edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it.



isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.


Most of the things Isboxer does will be banned.

I wonder how many accounts CCP will lose from the Isboxer users cancelling their multibox accounts.

I personally have never had a problem with multiboxing, If people are willing to pay for that many accounts, let them.