Skill Discussions

Just over a year old here with 18mil SP, and I think its been a long ******* time. I'm just now getting into T3/T2 cruisers (able to fly properly not just sit in) and I can't help but think how ridiculous it would be to multiply these queue's by four. I am glad some people think five years isn't very long to play a single game but I am not one of them.

Furthermore whenever I hear the older corpmates talk about how they got all destroyers/BC's to five for 1/4 the time (saving 3-4 months) I can't help but think BS, and not the Amarr kind. If anything CCP ought to reduce training times a little bit to make up for this disparity between new players and old players and certainly not exacerbate it. It's pretty easy for people at the top to **** all over the people on the bottom, and seriously calling for longer skill training is flagrant protectionism.

I don't feel that the larger range of performance is worth removing the training choices created by removing the "base hull skill to V" requirement. T2 ships already have just as much of a range of performance as their T1 counterparts from the T2 ship skill and all the support skills not listed on the hull.

All those pilots with all those skill points. Guess what? They can only fly 1 ship at a time.
And almost any pilot who focus's his skill could match them in a reasonable amount of time.
Sure, time gives an older player more options, but an additional 100 million SP do not make him a better destroyer pilot than any other destroyer pilot. The same go's for BC's or BS or whatever.
Requiring level V base skills, is actually what makes the newer pilot somewhat EQUAL to the older pilot. Letting him fly a sub-par ship is the opposite of equalization.

For my part, I've had 3 accounts since '06 and '07. You do the math 8 years x 12 months x 3 accounts, and it's a substantial expense/investment.
Do I want to protect that investment? Damn right I do.
Do I want a 1 year old pilot to be equal to me? Oh hell no.
But if that pilot focused on medium weapons and BC/Cruiser hulls, he is every bit as *skilled* as I am.

Then EVE may not be the game for them. EVE is not a "catch up in 2 months" game. Nor should it be.

Editing out the context and replying with a pre-canned "grrr casuals" message earns you a bad mark. See me after class.

You apparently also want the newer pilot to make an even more substantial investment than you did, to ever get to the same set of skills as you.


This highlights that this suggestion is made for no other reason than the detriment of newer pilots.

I was missing your point. My apologies on that, though I am fairly hardline on my own point, made from my point of view, relating to me and my situation.

BC V was a rank 6 skill if I recall, and took 26ish days on average. (Same as any singular race takes now) I thought it was cool that it covered all races before, and now I see your point more clearly.
Since I had the skill to V when the system was revamped, it didn't really improve anything for me. I got 4x the SP, but they were all worthless at that point. Again, I see the point now about new players having a longer road.

@ Jvpiter as well: I don't want anybody to have to pay MORE or take longer to get what I have. I just don't advocate anything less than what it took me. I can't make any of those decisions though....so I'm just along for the ride, like everyone else. In general, I am helpful to new players and advocate for less wasted skill training every chance I can.

Equating the Battlecruisers/Destroyers change to an idea for T2 racial skills is a losing proposition.

The idea to split up the Destroyer/Battlecruiser skill wasn't to make things harder for newbies, it was to make the ship training a more linear experience. Before, you needed a fairly random assortment of skills to train to higher tiers, leading to headaches and confusion, even among older players. For example, it used to be required to train every single gun skill to V before you could get T2 modules. That means in order to train for Large Autocannon Specialization, you used to have to have both Small and Medium Autocannon a certain amount into their specs. This is a mild example. The larger or more advanced the ship, the worse the skill gap got. The Orca was about half a year of solid training, and even a basic industrial took a fairly random assortment of skills and a good solid train of day or so, rather than a few minutes.

The idea with the splitting up of Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills was overall to make things easier to get into, more fluid, and more intuitive, not more skill intensive. In fact, after the changes, it's actually easier to get into a battleship and fly it with moderate competence, despite the larger number of skills to train. All skills required to get into a new class of ship was reduced by one skill rank. While this sounds insignificant, anyone playing EVE knows there's a huge time gap from training from Rank 3 into Rank 4, or Rank 4 to 5.

Streamlining has been the name of the game for a while. The idea is to make the game easier and less confusing for the average newbro to get into. Adding racial T2 skills is just padding the skill pool of advanced bittervets, and increasing the headache of the average newbro, who already has a vast assortment of skills to train for. I, for one, would not want to work my ass off to get Interceptors, then find out that I have to train each individual racial skill up on top of training T1 Racial frigate skills. It makes things that much more complicated, and it is entirely unnecessary.

You strawmanned my post, then you're telling me that I strawmanned yours?

Superior playerbase.

Presumptious, and oh so very wrong about so many things. Goodbye.