Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As requested, this is an idea which I posted in GD. It is a replacement for the removal of medical clones, which everyone agreed is a poor mechanic. But not everyone seems to agree on what should replace it, or whether it should be replaced at all.

I feel Eve definitely needs some consequence for losing ones pods, after all it is meant to be the most crippling blow you can strike upon your foe, and there are stories of pilots in bygone eras having their pods ransomed by pirates. Atm though it is nothing but a free ride home, and many people don't use implants, or very cheap ones if they do.

So my proposal is below:

Upon pod death, you lose 20% of SP from a skill (the skill could be chosen randomly, but more weight given to recently trained skills).

To mitigate this you would have 3 levels of clone, each reduce the penalty by 0.8.

Basic Clone = 20.00% SP loss
Lvl 1 clone = 16.00% SP loss (Skill areas protected = 1) Cost = 15 mil isk
Lvl 2 clone = 12.80% SP loss (Skill areas protected = 2) Cost = 75 mil isk
Lvl 3 clone = 10.24% SP loss (Skill areas protected = 3) Cost = 375 mil isk

In addition to this you can protect skill areas, the amount of areas you can protect would be corresponding to the level of the clone. So for instance, if I wanted to protect my spaceship command and gunnery skills, then I could install a level 2 clone, and be assured that no skill will be removed from either of those two areas.

To protect new players, skill points could be completely safe up to a set amount, 2 million SP for example.

This would also give meaning to the bounty hunting profession. Whilst the current mechanic could continue to operate as it does now, one exception could be that if you kill a persons pod with a personal bounty on them, then you claim the entire bounty in one go.

(Also as the consequences for losing one are greater, pods should be more difficult to kill under a system like this, and so EHP should possibly be increased along with the pod being bubble immune).

This thread is cancer. -1

You have 4 choices, so you would not need to spend 375 million isk. Unlike the current mechanic, the 75 million isk clone, or even the 15 million isk clone would still function almost as well as the highest level variant.

Paying 75 million would mean you would only lose 12.8% of SP from a skill. Lets say that skill is rank III trained to level V, that would mean you would lose 98,304 SP, which would take around 40 hours to retrain, so a lot less than a t3 loss.

Of course the numbers would be variable, I just set out some ballpark numbers above to give a general idea.

Congratulations on missing the entire point of the post you're replying to.

Run your numbers again with fleet command v, carriers v, fighters v or one of the other skills that need upwards of a month to train to V.

Now, explain why your mechanic is in any way better than the one we have no, regardless of it's upcoming removal. Seems to me that I'd be paying 375 million and STILL run the risk of losing a week of training.

Now, explain your counter to this. Is there anything at all, or are you just trying to make absolutely certain that nobody ever flies anything small in nullsec?

I ran the numbers on a few test scenarios before publishing the idea. Losing fighters V for instance, you'd have to be pretty unlucky though given that the skill is chosen at random, and also given that you can protect skill areas, but that would set you back 393,216 SP, which is roughly 6 days.

Granted perhaps the numbers could be reduced if the penalty is too high, but 6 days would be a worst case scenario, which is on par with a t3 loss currently.

Also I always thought that pods should be bubble immune, and perhaps given more ehp.

Before we had "lose your skillpoints if you forget to file the right paperwork", now you're suggesting "lose your skillpoints period". How is this supposed to encourage PvP?

Also, what is the big deal with skill point loss? What kind of balance/reward is that introducing into the game? Ganks, scams, etc. all benefit some other player and thus promote player-driven content. All that the potential for SP loss does is discourage players from taking risks.

why should SP be lost?



Pod loss should hurt but I see no reason for SP loss.

Losing a week of skill training every time you lose a pod is NOT going to be a minimal loss. It IS going to actively discourage people from flying things like dictors, ceptors and bombers, which die constantly, not to mention pushing people away from any kind of null or WH PVP, since getting bubbled means you ARE losing SP if you go down, no matter what.

Even if pods become bubble immune, and apparently gain more EHP than some of the ships they're stuffed inside, you're still not going to avoid losing them in real combat situations. People still lose interceptors after all.



And losing a pod means you've already lost the ship and your implants, WHy do you need to lose a week of training on top of that? If I lose, say, AWU V, then that's it, I'm out of most of my ships until it is retrained. Explain why that's good design, and how that does anything but discourage me from undocking?

Either the OP was trolled into posting this idea (I read the other thread) or the OP is trolling.

I can't believe they think this is good idea, or even a viable one.

I dont think it's such a horrible idea at all, but then again I havent been thinking of the 100M+ SP crowd, either. IMO there should definitely be a negative consequence to getting podded. Isn't getting podded pretty much the worst thing that can happen to you? Isnt that the result when "it all goes wrong?"

Some ppl argue losing implants is a sufficient punishment, but a lot of PVPers, especially in nullsec, dont run around with a lot of implants anyway.

Then there's the case of T3's. Ive lost a T3 a couple of times, and it ended up costing me 5 or 6 days to retrain a lost skill. If thats reasonable to expect just for flying a T3, why is it not reasonable for losing a pod? Is losing a T3 somehow WORSE than getting podded, which means you lost a ship AND got popped again?