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Quattras Peione
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-11-24 08:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Quattras Peione
The thing is, even if this individual were a baseliner using this girl's NeoCom to post, he is at least aware enough of how capsuleer society works to know where to post his video. If he knows that, then I'm quite sure he is equally aware of all that capsuleers have done, and are willing to do, to slaves - often for sheer enjoyment. In fact, his choice of victim probably had a lot to do with that fact.

All of us are as bad as the worst of us. The capsuleers who grab headlines dirtside, the ones who slaughter thousands or millions publicly without hesitation, those individuals form the image that exists in every mind about what a capsuleer is, what they do.

Killing slaves as a retalitory action would do nothing but solidify this individual's resolve, Miz. But I'm sure you know that. Killing prisoners of war doesn't really fit either, since their language suggests they are outside the conflict and indifferent to soldiers. I'm not even entirely convinced it's a Matari.

Diana Kim wrote:
Monsters speak language originated on Luminaire VI.


No, Diana, the language of monsters is fear, ignorance, and hate. Their stock and trade is in human suffering. It is universal. To claim that monsters don't exist amongst our own is to invite disaster.

Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione

No, I'm not that kind of doctor.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-11-24 10:42:56 UTC
Since you have started about prisoners of war, I believe it will be easy to find out where are monsters, if you compare Caldari and Gallente POW treatment.

Have you ever seen Caldari POW extracted from hidden gallente prisons in Black Rise?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-11-24 11:52:35 UTC
*Enkil "Havohej" Akheteru appears in a cozily lit parlor, reclining in an overstuffed leather chair, a slaver hound panting to his left, and an Amarrian boy roughly 19 years of age kneeling to his right. As he speaks, he pets the boy's hair idly as though he's mistaken the young man for the dog.*

Valerie Valate wrote:
Drivel.

No Amarrian prisoners of war were ever handled by Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics. We purchased one thousand Amarrian slaves from the Angel Cartel, in a deal brokered by Aria Jenneth - then a member of the Cartel.

Du'uma Fiisi did not wish to murder those people. I did. However, I was not disappointed by the surprising outcome.

Not a single one of the Matari freed into Du'uma Fiisi's care were sold back into slavery. They were all subjected to a three-phase program of Evaluation, Education and Re-evaluation, save for a few thousand who were subjected to an even more specialized and strenuous regimen personally overseen by Mizhara Del'thul, at the time one of my best and most respected pilots.

Of the one million Matari freed by our efforts, a few dozen thousand were, after several months of intensive educational programming, deemed to be too thoroughly brainwashed by generations of indoctrination in the Amarr Empire. Rather than release these people into the republic - several tens of thousand new "Abel Jareks" to corrupt Minmatar youth and inject their twisted slaver's faith into Minmatar culture and society - Du'uma Fiisi had to make a decision. Kill them, or give them back to the slaver.

Du'uma Fiisi would never, under any circumstances, surrender a Matari to the slaver's whip. They were told that they would be returned to Oris. They were loaded onto a Fenrir-class freighter. That freighter was then destroyed by Du'uma Fiisi director Zuzanna Alondra.

The rest of the freed Matari, the great majority of them, were taught new trades and shuttled to the numerous customs outposts set up by the Republic to receive the newly-free Starkmanir and Nefantar from the Mandate, for reintegration into Minmatar society.

I don't know what manner of half-assed intrigues go on in the Empire. I don't care. Keep me out of it.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Idiot. You can't repay suffering.

Idiot. Yes, you can. I don't want my enemies to change. I want them to suffer.

For instance, I now own 40 Amarrian slaves. Like the ones I bought from the Angel Cartel several years ago, these are not "prisoners of war." They were free Amarrians, minding their own business, taken unlawfully by all standards - including the Empire's. Be that as it may, now they are mine. And they are being treated as "fairly" as any Holder treats their stock, I assure you.

I am considering taking the Evaluation and Re-education facilities we used several years ago out of mothball and purchasing more Amarrians for a.... socio-religous experiment. But I haven't decided, yet. Anyway...

I doubt there is anything worth reading beyond the first page of this thread, so I won't bother. At this point, I am bored of defending or explaining our actions with regard to the one million Matari slaves we freed back then. I know that we made the right decision - the decision entities like Electus Matari were too weak to make - and that is all that matters.

Anyone who doesn't like what we did, who still has a bug up their bums about it... you can either put a bounty on my head, or come and find me in the Bleaks.

End transmission.

*At his Master's terse command, the young Amarrian scurries forward to reach for the button and the transmission terminates.*

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

OOC Forums @ Backstage

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-11-24 12:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Diana Kim wrote:
Since you have started about prisoners of war, I believe it will be easy to find out where are monsters, if you compare Caldari and Gallente POW treatment.

Have you ever seen Caldari POW extracted from hidden gallente prisons in Black Rise?


Don't ever pretend that the Caldari hands are clean either. Have you never seen the Gallente enclaves on Caldari Prime after Heth's regime recaptured the planet?

Before you start calling others monsters, look into the mirror first.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:


We are in space. Why not just send them all out of the airlock without pressurised suits?


Oh, no doubt I would agree. Vacuum induced asphyxiation and the disposal of the remains through atmospheric cremation by opening aforementioned airlock in an adjusted decay orbit of a suitable planetary object is in my view the most efficient and hassle-free means available to a capsuleer desiring to execute someone.

It does however lack that certain expected emotional impact desired by those performing one of those propaganda of the deed PR stunts, you know?


To each their own, I suppose. Personally, I take expediency any day. Here's the one truth I had to admit: clutter follows me around like a respiratory virus. All I need to do is to just set up shop somewhere and clutter will inevitably follow. Sometimes it's modules that nobody in their right mind would use. Other times it's used laser crystals. Just as frequently, it's tiny amounts of ammunition I cannot use. Very much more likely are things I acquired through violent means that I keep around because I can actually use them. Eventually.

So with all that clutter making it difficult for me to actually find what I want I had taken to just throwing out anything I can't possibly need either to the reprocessing plant or out of the airlock. This includes any criminals I somehow acquired that nobody can't be arsed to claim for whatever reason.

I don't do fair trials. I'm not a cop. I'm not a judge either. If nobody claims them after a week it's out of the airlock they go.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#45 - 2014-11-24 12:35:09 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Since you have started about prisoners of war, I believe it will be easy to find out where are monsters, if you compare Caldari and Gallente POW treatment.

Have you ever seen Caldari POW extracted from hidden gallente prisons in Black Rise?


Don't ever pretend that the Caldari hands are clean either. Have you never seen the Gallente enclaves on Caldari Prime after Heth's regime recaptured the planet?

Before you start calling others monsters, look into the mirror first.

Never saw them, because even a thought of these abominations on our ancestral planet makes me vomit.

But I highly doubt that Caldari would ever do to them what Gallente are doing with our POWs.

Returning to these enclaves, Tibus Heth-haan was too merciful to them. I would prefer them to be wiped clean from face of our Home, so not a single subhuman filth ever defiled with their presence the place our ancestors came from.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#46 - 2014-11-24 15:39:31 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
You're all monsters. This universe is full of monsters.

Growl for me, Little Monster. Grr.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#47 - 2014-11-24 16:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Havohej wrote:
Moustache twirling, growling and posturing

Right, so, first of all - anyone from Scope Works who doesn't like the calibre of people I fly with can now shut their mouths. That guy is so unbalanced he probably leans at a 45 degree angle when he walks. I'll also consider my point about becoming a monster to fight monsters proven, as well.

You can argue that Havo is his own, special, kind of crazy - but he isn't. He's just the end of the path the rest of you are on. A special degree of a very normal kind of crazy caused by not being told 'no' often enough. Like many in his situation, he derives far more satisfaction from fighting for 'the cause' than he ever would in actually achieving it. The man said it himself - he doesn't want his enemies to change, he wants them to suffer.

It's only when I look at people like this that I realise how far I am from hitting bottom. I actually cared more about a resolution of my cause than I cared about fighting for it and, however badly you think I've handled it, I'm managing to come to terms with a Universe without that cause in it.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#48 - 2014-11-24 16:36:58 UTC
We are not responsible for the content of posts by Members nor should they be assumed to reflect the values of Scope Works as a who-ok I can't do this professional thing. I don't control what they do on their off hours. Meh.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#49 - 2014-11-24 16:46:20 UTC
Capsuleers. Discussing morality and ethics... All the baseliners we have killed are rolling in their graves.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-11-24 16:54:23 UTC
If anyone wants to upset Havohej, all you need to do is drop a fleet of RR Dominixes on him.

He'll hold a grudge for five years at least.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#51 - 2014-11-24 16:55:18 UTC
...you really gonna rest on laurels from FIVE years ago Ixiris? Jeesh.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-11-24 16:57:16 UTC
If by all accounts a person is still angry about being outplayed once while projecting about others having, quote "a bug up their bum?"

Brother, you know it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2014-11-24 16:58:00 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Capsuleers. Discussing morality and ethics... All the baseliners we have killed are rolling in their graves.


That was sort of my point.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#54 - 2014-11-24 16:58:58 UTC
Anslo wrote:
We are not responsible for the content of posts by Members nor should they be assumed to reflect the values of Scope Works as a who-ok I can't do this professional thing. I don't control what they do on their off hours. Meh.


Love that, mind if I borrow it?

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anslo
Scope Works
#55 - 2014-11-24 17:01:07 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
If by all accounts a person is still angry about being outplayed once while projecting about others having, quote "a bug up their bum?"

Brother, you know it.


That's...kind of sad. I mean if you had something more recent, ok. But...meh whatever.

Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Love that, mind if I borrow it?


Go for it.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-11-24 17:07:23 UTC
Anslo wrote:
That's...kind of sad. I mean if you had something more recent, ok. But...meh whatever.

Pretty much anything to do with Havohej is kind of sad.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#57 - 2014-11-24 17:09:05 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Anslo wrote:
That's...kind of sad. I mean if you had something more recent, ok. But...meh whatever.

Pretty much anything to do with Havohej is kind of sad.

I dunno. The fleets we've ran together have been anything but sad. Actually anything but ANY negative adjective to be honest.

Are you gonna rage and declare your undying hatred for me again now?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2014-11-24 17:21:39 UTC
Nah. He's not worth it.

Besides, it'd be even sadder if he didn't have someone who still likes him.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2014-11-24 17:24:13 UTC
Pretty sure it's more than some ONE. Dunno if I can say the same for you.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#60 - 2014-11-24 17:25:40 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Anslo wrote:
That's...kind of sad. I mean if you had something more recent, ok. But...meh whatever.

Pretty much anything to do with Havohej is kind of sad.

I dunno. The fleets we've ran together have been anything but sad. Actually anything but ANY negative adjective to be honest.

Are you gonna rage and declare your undying hatred for me again now?



Take it outside ladies.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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