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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-11-24 03:26:23 UTC
I would rather have a T+ skiff variation that had room for a cloak.

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Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#22 - 2014-11-24 05:31:49 UTC
For this to work in a halfway decent manner, CCP would have to change ice blocks to ice cubes. Make it so they take up 1 m3, and take 1000 to refine. If they don't do this, in order to balance these new miners, they would have to mine a block every like 5 minutes or some other absurdly long period of time, otherwise you invalidate exhumers.

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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#23 - 2014-11-24 05:44:19 UTC
mining laser mines maybe 90 ice cubes a minutes, and in terms of refining, 1,000 ice cubes are roughly equal to block

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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#24 - 2014-11-24 07:22:18 UTC
Hmm. I don't really have a problem with the idea of this proposal, but as a proper devil's advocate... let's try and break it.

One block of ice is 1000m3.
This poses a few snags. The prospect and venture have holds that can carry 5/10 of these, but what about any other ship with a turret. How big can you get regular cargo holds on a BC or BB? Expect to see the return of indies with a single mining laser.


The Prospect and/or Venture will need to have their bonuses to keep ice mining in mind.
Maybe not a huge problem, but something to be looked at.

Should there be different crystals for each type/subgroup of ice?
Probably for subgroups IMO.

Would the crystals degrade like mining crystals?
My gut says yes.

What skill(s) will power this crystal/laser combo?
The requirements for the laser shouldn't change al all. However the crystals should use the Ice Harvesting skill. Level one would unlock T1 crystals, and level 4 would unlock T2. The Ice Processing skill could be used instead to match up more closely with ore crystals. /shrug

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Ix Method
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-11-24 08:49:35 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
For this to work in a halfway decent manner, CCP would have to change ice blocks to ice cubes. Make it so they take up 1 m3, and take 1000 to refine. If they don't do this, in order to balance these new miners, they would have to mine a block every like 5 minutes or some other absurdly long period of time, otherwise you invalidate exhumers.

Indeed so, at which point they may aswell just magic in some T2 Ice Lasers instead. Why you'd make Ice Crystals just to have to nerf existing options to compensate I dunno.

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Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-11-24 08:57:48 UTC
CCP already said there will be a way for you to mine ice in frigate holes soon. So I'd be guessing either frigate sized ice harvesters, or a new ice mining t2 venture hull.
Lister Dax
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-11-24 16:44:03 UTC
spikeyleo wrote:
Lister Dax wrote:
spikeyleo wrote:
i think this is a great idea as it would allow non null sec residents access to null ice relatively safe

Why should this be a concern?

as i like to see you move a barge through null sec without gettin popedP


Go live in null and mine all you want.
Calamity Joe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-12-09 20:53:49 UTC
+1

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-12-09 20:58:50 UTC
+1
Kaemon Akemi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2015-01-06 17:14:05 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
CCP already said there will be a way for you to mine ice in frigate holes soon. So I'd be guessing either frigate sized ice harvesters, or a new ice mining t2 venture hull.

+1 on both new T2 hull and Ice Crystals.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-01-06 18:18:41 UTC
Kaemon Akemi wrote:
Arronicus wrote:
CCP already said there will be a way for you to mine ice in frigate holes soon. So I'd be guessing either frigate sized ice harvesters, or a new ice mining t2 venture hull.

+1 on both new T2 hull and Ice Crystals.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#32 - 2015-01-07 08:16:20 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
a new ice mining t2 venture hull.


This is the way i would like to see it

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#33 - 2015-01-07 19:57:41 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
For this to work in a halfway decent manner, CCP would have to change ice blocks to ice cubes. Make it so they take up 1 m3, and take 1000 to refine. If they don't do this, in order to balance these new miners, they would have to mine a block every like 5 minutes or some other absurdly long period of time, otherwise you invalidate exhumers.

Indeed so, at which point they may aswell just magic in some T2 Ice Lasers instead. Why you'd make Ice Crystals just to have to nerf existing options to compensate I dunno.

Maybe ice mining laser module then, with limit of 2 on any ship, or simply limit the number of crystals that can be used at once to 2. Can fit the venture or the prospect. Mines less overall than the barges, and on a BC or w/e would be significantly less
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#34 - 2015-01-08 09:37:36 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Ix Method wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
For this to work in a halfway decent manner, CCP would have to change ice blocks to ice cubes. Make it so they take up 1 m3, and take 1000 to refine. If they don't do this, in order to balance these new miners, they would have to mine a block every like 5 minutes or some other absurdly long period of time, otherwise you invalidate exhumers.

Indeed so, at which point they may aswell just magic in some T2 Ice Lasers instead. Why you'd make Ice Crystals just to have to nerf existing options to compensate I dunno.

Maybe ice mining laser module then, with limit of 2 on any ship, or simply limit the number of crystals that can be used at once to 2. Can fit the venture or the prospect. Mines less overall than the barges, and on a BC or w/e would be significantly less


Or restrict it like a covert ops cloak and mjd's. Can only be fit on a Venture or Prospect.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2015-01-08 11:11:01 UTC
A tangential possibility would be ice mining drones...and add bonuses to certain hulls for them. Then any ship can be used in WH's and with a depot handy can switch to combat ready if need be.
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